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Legacy said:
They hire muscular guys to play psychopathic, emotionally-unhinged murderers running around with deadly industrial tools because they want the characters to be intimidating. Not “hot.”

Like, the Eddie character was originally designed as socially-deficient “trailer park trash.”
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I remember a time when the icons were actually scary and not fodder for erotic fan fic.

(People can do what they want in their own time, but it crosses the line when it makes human performers uncomfortable.)
 
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No, he was not. It's a new thing that started this year due to a few of the actors being good-looking and being very much in shape.
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They hire muscular guys to play psychopathic, emotionally-unhinged murderers running around with deadly industrial tools because they want the characters to be intimidating. Not “hot.”
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I was referring to the costume design not any of the actors who have portrayed him. His design is intimidating sure but to say it's not a little sexualized just doesn't make sense to me. That's coming from a woman's perspective though so the definitions of what is or isn't "sexualized" may differ for men.
 
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I was referring to the costume design not any of the actors who have portrayed him. His design is intimidating sure but to say it's not a little sexualized just doesn't make sense to me. That's coming from a woman's perspective though so the definitions of what is or isn't "sexualized" may differ for men.
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If it was a fat guy in their sixties, would the same costume still be sexualized?

There is such thing as sexual characters at HHN. There is, of course, sexuality at HHN. But there is a common “mistake” (for lack of a better term) made by guests and fans in ignoring how characters’ visual designs (or casting) is influenced by character motivation in lieu of the attractiveness of the performers themselves.

No aspect of Eddie’s character indicates he values sexuality. Eddie is a psycho serial killer dedicated to unmitigated violence. He’s not posting thirst-traps to lure in victims. The only two Icons that ever seemed aware of their attractiveness were Chance and Luck (which is a different conversation).

Appearing “sexual” is a personal choice, regardless if that person is fictional or real and regardless of gender. No one should ascribe sexuality (being sexy) to someone without some sort of overt intent or consent. Even if the individual KNOWS they’re attractive, if they don’t want to be primarily viewed as such, then they shouldn’t be.
 
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I think the conversation behind all of this is very fair. I also think that there are many other characters that have been designed over the years to be lusty, like I said in my post. I think Chance in particular was re-designed to stand on her own and minimize sexuality, which I found a really interesting approach to the character, not to say either was bad. Perhaps Eddie was not designed to be that way in his earliest iteration (i believe there is literally a canonical line that describes him as “ugly”), but I also think that the intention has changed this year and I think it is, indeed, intentional. I think this would be as creepy as saying that the Mardi Gras performers are “hot” and I believe that some of them are, and I think this is also on purpose! Perhaps this is wrong of me. I don’t think this automatically means I am trying to sexually assault them. I’ve been to a casting for Mardi Gras and they literally ask one to take their shirt off. In Mardi Gras, I do not believe this is done to create a scary or intimidating ambiance. As a side note, I’ve also been groped while performing at Halloween Horror Nights, and I was wearing what were essentially street clothes without a lick of blood. I understand the fears of sexualization of characters - but once again, Mardi Gras is very intentional and even more laser-focused on alcohol sales, if we’re going to go in this direction. If either event is explorative (I think they BOTH are), I think Mardi Gras is the one to investigate first.

Whether he was initially created to look the way he does or not, I think even the most entrenched insiders can agree that this year he was asked to play that way, got attention from event goers, and then was nearly asked to “kill Jack” at the end of the event. I imagine that, had things gone differently or if his characterization was poorly received that creative would not have even considered this final staging. If we are only to judge a character on how they were intended to appear, I don’t think the Storyteller would have turned into a demon in the house this year, nor would Chance have evolved. I think it is fair to say that the original concept of Eddie evolved this year, too. I can’t imagine the first version of Eddie being in a COMEDY zone, especially as he was envisioned as a terrorist originally.
I’m not intending to follow an actor home, and I agree, following an actor home is HORRIBLE. I am merely saying that, in the spirit of American Horror Story, the literal go-go girls in cages at this event in years past, Lady Luck, MOST classic horror including A Nightmare On Elm Street, and countless other horror and horror-adjacent forms of media, lust and sex are central and intentional.

Horror and sex go together so intrinsically that it is made fun of in both Scream and Cabin In The Woods. They are both heightened senses of awareness, and so many horror films and even scenes in Horror Nights past have used this trope for comedic purpose and distractive purpose. I am not trying to stalk any particular performers, and I think it’s sad that all of my analysis was boiled quickly down to the incorrect assumption that I want Eddie to come to the event because I want to sleep with his performer - I find this really unfair. I wrote many other reasons why the character does, indeed, stand on his own - in the way that any of the two-dimensional cardboard cutouts of horror tropes that are the “Icons” stand on their own. In the end, the performances are what creates the character, as well as whatever backstory they are willing to provide. I think Eddie’s backstory is probably more involved than Storyteller’s, maybe even moreso than Lady Luck.

Legacy, if I am to be so bold as to offer a take, I think that it isn’t so much of a leap to say that Eddie’s obsession with movies and ultimate turn as a “puppet master” of a street devoted to movies would indicate that he is aware of glamour, horror movie tropes, and appearances. I mean I also think that’s why he has a big freaking chainsaw, because it’s like the ultimate trope. I also think he’s hiding something horrific under the mask, which is also a very specific movie trope. But yes, I agree, even if the character is aware of his siren powers (like Director or Luck or even Storyteller), the scary part is the chainsaw. I would also go to the fact that many have said artistic directors were asking the actors to be aware of their sexuality - and this I think would constitute a creative decision for the character, though I don’t know the details of these rumors, so I can’t comment with full certainty or knowledge.

Without the voice of the actor here, I think that much of the commentary is moot here, anyway, but I don’t think this discounts my observation of public perception of the character.
 
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Welp didn’t see that coming lol
 
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I guess the question is... Do you find Picture 1 "sexy" or 2?

Cuz 1 is the character's intended look whereas 2 allows the actor's looks to be featured more predominantly - which means we're now commenting on the actor and not the character which is what I think is giving people some pause.

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I do think it did not help that Eddie had no opportunity to scare anyone. He was purely a photo op and had to stand on what amounted to a platform to be gawked at. (Yet another reason why the platforms were, in my opinion, a serious mistake.)

Eddie hasn't, to my knowledge, been anywhere near as "sexualized" in his previous iterations despite well-built men being cast in the role. (Though I do recall that one of the Eddie's in HHNXX was referred to as "Thor" among the fandom due to his size and build.)
 
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Legacy, if I am to be so bold as to offer a take, I think that it isn’t so much of a leap to say that Eddie’s obsession with movies and ultimate turn as a “puppet master” of a street devoted to movies would indicate that he is aware of glamour, horror movie tropes, and appearances. I mean I also think that’s why he has a big freaking chainsaw, because it’s like the ultimate trope. I also think he’s hiding something horrific under the mask, which is also a very specific movie trope. But yes, I agree, even if the character is aware of his siren powers (like Director or Luck or even Storyteller), the scary part is the chainsaw.
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You bring up a lot. To directly address the takes on Eddie, he’s not interested in the “glamor.” He was obsessed with 80s slashers: gritty, violent, and chaotic. He was intended to lead the Chainsaw Drill Team, which was gritty, violent, and chaotic. Hostile Territory was gritty, violent and chaotic. His Revenge last year (despite having elements of comedy) was gritty, violent and chaotic. He rarely, if ever, speaks. He uses a chainsaw because TCM was his favorite movie. The mask is to hide the burns on his face.

He just wants to kill. He’s not a “siren.” No element of his character or his backstory indicates that at all. He is, literally, the HHN equivalent to Leatherface.

You also bring up Marco Gras, which proves a bit of my point. Actual Mardi Gras is known specifically for a certain level of debauchery and is highly sexualized (how did you get beads again?). It’s Fat Tuesday, where you’re able to indulge yourself before Lent. Basically, it’s a celebration of the “obscene.” So, yes, the entirety of Mardi Gras is intentionally sexual and all the “characters” are celebrating exactly that.
 
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Legacy said:
You bring up a lot. To directly address the takes on Eddie, he’s not interested in the “glamor.” He was obsessed with 80s slashers: gritty, violent, and chaotic. He was intended to lead the Chainsaw Drill Team, which was gritty, violent, and chaotic. Hostile Territory was gritty, violent and chaotic. His Revenge last year (despite having elements of comedy) was gritty, violent and chaotic. He rarely, if ever, speaks. He uses a chainsaw because TCM was his favorite movie. The mask is to hide the burns on his face.

He just wants to kill. He’s not a “siren.” No element of his character or his backstory indicates that at all. He is, literally, the HHN equivalent to Leatherface.

You also bring up Marco Gras, which proves a bit of my point. Actual Mardi Gras is known specifically for a certain level of debauchery and is highly sexualized (how did you get beads again?). It’s Fat Tuesday, where you’re able to indulge yourself before Lent. Basically, it’s a celebration of the “obscene.” So, yes, the entirety of Mardi Gras is intentionally sexual and all the “characters” are celebrating exactly that.
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I think this is a well-written and really good take, and very valid. The only thing I think that breaks this a little is that this year’s street characters were hardly “gritty, violent, and chaotic” - I think quite the opposite, especially with the inclusion of Vamp, Invasion, Treaks and Foons, etc. If these are the kinds of films that Eddie is canonically interested in (as is the implication), his character has for sure turned from an interest in hardcore slasher (or snuff/The Director’s favorites) towards comedy horror/horror adjacent - camp classics like Rocky Horror and Killer Klowns.

I’d find it hard to reconcile “gritty, violent, and chaotic” with Treaks and Foons. I’d also argue that RUN is campy, sexy scary, too. According to the street this year, textually, he doesn’t want to just kill - he also wants to make movies. So I think there is more to this than “he is leatherface”, at least according to the portrayal of him this year.

EDIT: I think this is why his street was so widely loved this year - it was mirthful, funny, and campy, which is why I really believe that Eddie’s placement and casting in that menagerie of scenes was intentional.
 
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So I think there is more to this than “he is leatherface”, at least according to the portrayal of him this year.
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He's literally Leatherface, with Hannibal Lecter's mask, and was jacked this year to be intimidating

All of the HHN Icons are one dimensional amalgamations of previously established horror characters used to market the event

It's not A&D's fault that the theater kids on Twitter are sexually frustrated
 
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I think this is a well-written and really good take, and very valid. The only thing I think that breaks this a little is that this year’s street characters were hardly “gritty, violent, and chaotic” - I think quite the opposite, especially with the inclusion of Vamp, Invasion, Treaks and Foons, etc. If these are the kinds of films that Eddie is canonically interested in (as is the implication), his character has for sure turned from an interest in hardcore slasher (or snuff/The Director’s favorites) towards comedy horror/horror adjacent - camp classics like Rocky Horror and Killer Klowns.

I’d find it hard to reconcile “gritty, violent, and chaotic” with Treaks and Foons. I’d also argue that RUN is campy, sexy scary, too. According to the street this year, textually, he doesn’t want to just kill - he also wants to make movies. So I think there is more to this than “he is leatherface”, at least according to the portrayal of him this year.

EDIT: I think this is why his street was so widely loved this year - it was mirthful, funny, and campy, which is why I really believe that Eddie’s placement and casting in that menagerie of scenes was intentional.
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So, the deeper story of the zone is that Eddie attacked the set of the HHN movie. It’s the movie that featured those characters—Eddie didn’t bring those characters to the zone.
 
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It's not A&D's fault that the theater kids on Twitter are sexually frustrated
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I'm gonna really quick go back to my main point (which yikes did not mean to derail this thread sorry). I still feel like regardless of intent, the costume (yes in addition to the casting decisions) did cause unwanted comments and attention to the actors. Eddie is genuinely one of my favorites and I'd love to see him get a costume with more depth beyond dirty vest and tank. At the end of the day it's obviously creeps fault for being creeps but it'd be nice to see A&D try something new with the character. Anyways god let's go back to talking about Spec please.
 
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Apparently, Shrek is not being used this year.
 
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Apparently, Shrek is not being used this year.
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Yeah, I would imagine construction on the new Minions attraction would prevent it from opening.

Out of curiosity, where did you here this from?
 
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Yeah, I would imagine construction on the new Minions attraction would prevent it from opening.

Out of curiosity, where did you here this from?
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From someone named warrior on the hhn discord server.
 
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Hi! I'm new to posting on this forum (and relatively new to Universal and HHN) but I've been reading since it began. It's very off topic for the *current* conversation, but I have a question. Has anyone else noticed that the mask on top of one of the food booths at Mardi Gras is designed to look like Frankenstein's monster, bolts and all? I know they had the bride's house last year, but I just happened to catch a glimpse of that mask in a video I was watching and thought it was kind of odd, considering he has nothing to do with the "planets" theme of this year's Mardi Gras. Is this a common thing that Universal does, or could it be hinting at a Universal Monster house? *EDITED TO ADD PICTURE*1645022164466.png
 
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When are we getting a Mardi Gras HHN House
 
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Clive said:
I do think it did not help that Eddie had no opportunity to scare anyone. He was purely a photo op and had to stand on what amounted to a platform to be gawked at. (Yet another reason why the platforms were, in my opinion, a serious mistake.)
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I think you're onto something here. There have been objectively attractive shirt-less chainsaw actors before -- friend of mine was one in 7 -- and they didn't get sexualized in the same way. Because they were scaring the bejesus out of guests, not posing for photos.

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It's not A&D's fault that the theater kids on Twitter are sexually frustrated
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The evolving crowd at HHN, while far beyond the scope of this tread, is also certainly part of the issue. I saw more adults in costume opening night at HHN 2021 than any given MNSSHP in 2019.

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When are we getting a Mardi Gras HHN House
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Had a zone outside Zombiegeddon. And Dead Waters touched on bayou lore. I guess they could combine the two, but I' fear it would get repetitive quickly.
 
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i like this thread because one page we’ll be talking about the possibility of the funny Pickle Rick reddit show being a haunted house at Universal Studios and then the next page is a deep dive into how horror has been sexualized over the years, very cool stuff guys
 
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When are we getting a Mardi Gras HHN House
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You joke, but I think a Mardi Gras themed house would be really dope. Having some Mardi Gras food at the exit would be great too.
 
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