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Halloween Horror Nights 35 (UO) - Speculation & Rumors

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I don’t think they would ever go back to IOA again, what’s to be gained by doing that? The extra indoor space at MSI? The event is too large to have in queue mazes at Popeye and Hagrids, Veliciocoaster takes up another former maze site. I think any expansion will be in the studios (Villain Con, more tents, maybe another soundstage)
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Also it shuts down IOA at 5pm. IMHO used IOA back in the day to pad the attendance numbers.
 
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Also it shuts down IOA at 5pm. IMHO used IOA back in the day to pad the attendance numbers.
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I’m waiting for them to debut a MNSSHPesque family event at Epic frankly. Have a Boo-fest in SNW, let dark universe be dark universe, pumpkin up Paris, and Invent a Viking Halloween party for Berk. Throw in a firework show and a parade, it would print money.
 
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All the talk about the tickets has made us ignore that nothing was announced this morning. Maybe something at noon with Hollywood?
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Saving Fortnite for when people forget about Fear pass express being gone lol.

(That’s a joke, I’m excited about Fortnite, but it’s funny to think that maybe they pulled back to wait on it).

After KKFOS was announced I’m honestly solid for the rest of the season. Kinda wish it was just an entire zone like 2018 again.
 
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TheCodeMan95 said:
As far as wait time data - in my experience, Fridays have definitely always been the least busy nights.
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Especially if you can get there early. Traditionally Friday night crowds take a while to build--Sunday (and I hear Saturday) are busy from the jump.

Also, to aid in planning, looks like most central Florida schools are out for Columbus Day this year. With the northern schools out, too, expect that to be Hell Weekend.
 
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Especially if you can get there early. Traditionally Friday night crowds take a while to build--Sunday (and I hear Saturday) are busy from the jump.
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Fridays and Wednesdays are always my go to days for when things aren’t bad. Thursday’s always feel bad for me and I have absolutely no idea why, maybe people think it’s gonna be less crowded? Idk. But Fridays seem to be really good.
 
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No announcements today?
 
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Fridays and Wednesdays are always my go to days for when things aren’t bad. Thursday’s always feel bad for me and I have absolutely no idea why, maybe people think it’s gonna be less crowded? Idk. But Fridays seem to be really good.
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Pretty much all the passes include Thursday, but also, traditionally in Orlando theme parks, Employee Paychecks Come On Thursday.

Thursday used to be "Cast Member Night" at Pleasure Island--was always slammed.
 
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Staggz said:
Saving Fortnite for when people forget about Fear pass express being gone lol.

(That’s a joke, I’m excited about Fortnite, but it’s funny to think that maybe they pulled back to wait on it).

After KKFOS was announced I’m honestly solid for the rest of the season. Kinda wish it was just an entire zone like 2018 again.
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Judging from the rumored layout, the subsection should be roughly the same size as the 2018 zone, so nothing’s really lost. ;)
 
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Agree with this 100%. I’m one of the “out of towners” who comes for 10 days (5 for HHN) and used FFP+Express. As I’ve said before, I obviously know what days I’m coming and, therefore, using express. And, from a customer service perspective, me paying $1100 for 5 nights with express still makes me very much feel I’m getting a great deal. Heck, even a higher price would.

Each member of my group spends an average of $8k on our visit every year (for 15 years now). Depending on what the packages end up being, this may be greatly reduced if we change up our plans for this year.
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I wonder if Universal factors into their data analysis the cross-reference of multinight+express ticket holders against hotel reservations? Like in theory someone who purchases FFP+E would be entitled to attend and use express for all of the listed nights but the ref shows that that person is only here for a week and will be out of town and physically not present for 75% of the ticket’s capacity.
 
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@Brian G. i read your opinion article, and it's definitely the most articulate and well thought out discussion on the entire subject. You nailed the ACTUAL reasons some of us are really upset, and I appreciate that. Someone mentioned earlier that the anger was more an "entitlement" thing which I vehemently disagree with. There is so much more to this than some people just being elitist. I'm far from that.

It's been mentioned a few times in the thread about some kind of multi-night express bundle where you can pick your dates. To me, THAT makes the most sense. I'd be totally fine with that.

Yeah, I get it, the passes were too cheap for what they gave you and blah blah blah. They may be too cheap for you who live there who can go every friggin night, but it was a life-saver for those of us who travel. Also, the communication (or lack thereof) makes it even more egregious because they held this info while slowing jacking prices on single day express since they were released. That's some BS. They KNEW they were going to do this, so they should've done a FORMAL ANNOUNCEMENT when single day tix and express went on sale. Actually, it could've been sooner for those planning trips.. I mean, really.. that's just s****y

Lastly, yeah, I know, I can buy single night express for all nights I want to go (which will triple my cost as it stand so far). However, the issue is I feel like I need to pick the dates and get the passes now because I am thinking single day express will sell out since no one has it on a pass anymore. That means I also lose flexibility. Previously, if we decided to switch the days we normally go, we could do that because we had a pass that covered all the nights available to us. If I have to buy single day express in advance, it means I have to pick the dates, and I lose that flex option.

There is more to this than the rather simplistic arguments I've seen over the last several pages - most of which don't consider those outside of Florida.
 
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TheCodeMan95 said:
Yes - I mentioned it a few pages back, but another user said that the vast majority of HHN visitors are not spending thousands of dollars, which just simply isn't true.
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Well… when the majority of visitors buy single-night, no Express tickets, they’re probably not spending thousands of dollars.

I also think this is an important, oft-forgotten element to this discussion: “fans” are not the majority of HHN visitors. Most actual attendees are fans we denigrate as casuals. And while the emotions of fans “like us” is understandable, the way we interact and perceive our relationship with the event is also anecdotal. Our experience feels common because we surround ourselves with fans “like us,” but we are exceptions. For every passholder who attends and ONLY buys $40-$60 in food a night, there is a single night attendee who is buying that same food plus full admission. And those single night attendees may be local… or they may be in a hotel (likely on a shorter trip which typically means higher per night costs). That’s not even accounting for the behavioral difference between single night attendees who may attempt “experiencemaxx” by purchasing multiple food items in one night versus a passholder who may only try one a night.

Basically, there are multiple ways to enjoy the event. Just because the way fans “like us” hear about the most is multinight Express with trips, that doesn’t mean it actually is the most common. Just because any of us, as individual fans, may be willing to drop a thousand dollars for a single night of the experience, doesn’t mean the vast majority of people who attend will. And, ultimately and understandably, Universal will want seven individuals paying $400 each night over five days versus one individual paying $2,000 for the five days. It is not that the passholder isn’t important. It’s that those single night guests are important too.
 
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Your single night people are high margin, but I would think that those of us who want express, stay on property and visit during the day are not far behind on that margin and a very different category then the local who comes every night, but the issue is we have bought the same ticket media. It’s much like the issue WDW felt post pandemic with their APs and reservations. They solved it by marking APs with a resort reservation its own category (that never sold out.). I’m not buying until after the 21st with the hope Universal has invented a ticket for us.
 
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Chumpieboy said:
I wonder if Universal factors into their data analysis the cross-reference of multinight+express ticket holders against hotel reservations? Like in theory someone who purchases FFP+E would be entitled to attend and use express for all of the listed nights but the ref shows that that person is only here for a week and will be out of town and physically not present for 75% of the ticket’s capacity.
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That would be a lot of assumptions. Locals can still staycation at a hotel, or just do one long weekend during the event as a splurge.
I wonder how hotel profits even affect Universal, or if it is a Loews only dynamic?
 
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That would be a lot of assumptions. Locals can still staycation at a hotel, or just do one long weekend during the event as a splurge.
I wonder how hotel profits even affect Universal, or if it is a Loews only dynamic?
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Given the hotel room key express shows up in the app now, I assume they know quite well who is a resort guest.
 
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Why no Jack show this year?

As someone who's first HHN was 2007, Carnival of Carnage, and the next after that being 2015, HHN25, the carnage shows have a special place in my heart.

Is it just too busy for that kind of show, and they just need mass market dance show now?

Looking back, Jack show AND Bill and Ted, we were spoilt.
 
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Chumpieboy said:
I wonder if Universal factors into their data analysis the cross-reference of multinight+express ticket holders against hotel reservations? Like in theory someone who purchases FFP+E would be entitled to attend and use express for all of the listed nights but the ref shows that that person is only here for a week and will be out of town and physically not present for 75% of the ticket’s capacity.
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Yeah they're not doing this level of analysis.

I think it's as simple as the Express lines had gotten annoyingly long and they want to ensure they deliver an appropriately premium experience when the Express pass costs $200-300 on top of admission. It's quite possible that they're actually leaving money on the table with this move.
 
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Legacy said:
Well… when the majority of visitors buy single-night, no Express tickets, they’re probably not spending thousands of dollars.
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Universal will want seven individuals paying $400 each night over five days versus one individual paying $2,000 for the five days. It is not that the passholder isn’t important. It’s that those single night guests are important too.
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With my original post, I was mostly factoring in what people spend for their HHN tickets, hotel, food, possible day tickets, etc.

Like your 2nd point above, things add up for them! A local passholder might spend $2,000 over the course of the season between their UFF+E, plus food and drink.

But an average visitor could very likely spend more than that over the course of their trip for HHN.
 
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After reading all the pages of this debate, setting the communication issue aside, which is a genuine complaint, I think what troubles me most about this debate is the overall entitlement of people in this thread. People who want the option for express aren't losing anything at all. You can absolutely have express every night if you want, but you simply have to pay more for it, and that's really what most people are upset about. I would feel more sympathetic to the people complaining if it didn't boil down to, "I am upset that I can no longer experience this event the way I feel I should be able to at a cheaper price." Regardless of the reason whether it's affordability or unwillingness to pay, that is the core argument being made in totality. Even IU's article can be summarized as the same thing (Sorry, Bryan).

That also underscores the hypocrisy of the position. "It's too hard to see the event in a single night, and therefore I need express." That option is still available to you. The price of two nights of express plus a Rush of Fear is still equal to unlimited Rush of Fear, which is all you would need to see the event at a leisurely pace. People just can't skip the lines every night anymore, so they see that as reduced value to them, even if that's more than they really need. I don't consider this a "cheat code" because obviously one should extract maximum value from something, but you also aren't entitled to that thing indefinitely. For all the claims of loyalty (and I've been going to HHN on both coasts as long as anyone here), it's pretty well known that loyal theme park customers don't drive nearly as much revenue as people who come once; they tend to be less profitable, and that's been evident at Disneyland for years. Express is a pure profit driver, and food, beverage, and merch are not. Giving away express for less money has not been in Universal's interest for almost a decade at this point. Even with the absurd margins at HHN, you probably need to spend at least $400 on those things to equal a single Express pass, and I just strongly doubt anyone is spending $400 every night they go, and if you are, you're not the kind of person who's complaining about unlimited express being removed. This is doubly ironic as express unquestionably makes the event worse for everyone overall, and the most passionate and outspoken fans are likely the largest overusers because they are the ones who know about the passes and will wait in line for it.

This is in no way a defense of Universal constantly raising prices. I'm not defending a corporation for trying to maximize profit, but on the other hand, their hands are tied, and I'd be asking the same question of "Why should some people pay less for the same experience?" and I can't blame them for asking that. I personally have my doubts this will even make the lines better because if they were allegedly only selling a few thousand passes anyway, so it's likely pretty irrelevant at the end of the day.

It just staggers me that people are complaining about a premium product inside of a premium product. This is not oxygen; it is an entertainment product, and as such, you must accept the limitations being offered, and if you don't like it, vote with your wallet. Saying, "Universal doesn't want my money!" is simply not the threat that people think it is.
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Quoting due to the topic of loyalty and voting with your wallet: is there anyone out there that is truly going to speak with their wallet and forego this year entirely? I’m not talking about cutting back on your visits or vacations, cause they’re still getting your money that way, I mean completely avoiding spending any money on HHN due to this change.

I’m genuinely curious to see how many people actually skip the event vs. are very angry, but still go.
 
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I’m genuinely curious to see how many people actually skip the event vs. are very angry, but still go.
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My guess is VERY few
 
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Quoting due to the topic of loyalty and voting with your wallet: is there anyone out there that is truly going to speak with their wallet and forego this year entirely? I’m not talking about cutting back on your visits or vacations, cause they’re still getting your money that way, I mean completely avoiding spending any money on HHN due to this change.

I’m genuinely curious to see how many people actually skip the event vs. are very angry, but still go.
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What about those of us who aren’t angry just mildly disappointed?
 
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