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Universal Monsters: Eternal Bloodlines (HHN 33)

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Brother, I have been refreshing this site every 15 minutes for 2 weeks for this. No pressure.
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Had to do the Hollywood version, which I did last night. Guys.
 
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Had to do the Hollywood version, which I did last night. Guys.
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One of the few times I'll give Hollywood big bonus points for making it clear what happens to Saskia. Even if you miss the beheading itself, you get the idea from the scene that she's being killed.
 
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One of the few times I'll give Hollywood big bonus points for making it clear what happens to Saskia. Even if you miss the beheading itself, you get the idea from the scene that she's being killed.
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Unless they decide not to staff that Dracula’s Daughter position for some insane reason.

I don’t know why both coasts are having such a hard time staffing Dracula Daughters. There are supposed to be - I believe - at least three in each iteration, with varying transformations! I typically only encountered one.
 
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There are supposed to be - I believe - at least three in each iteration, with varying transformations! I typically only encountered one.
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Hollywood has 4 physical appearances + the blood moon screen of doom appearance.

I need to watch another Orlando POV because I only saw one & I'm still confused by what I was witnessing lol
 
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I need to watch another Orlando POV because I only saw one & I'm still confused by what I was witnessing lol
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I’ve walked through it three times and still find it perplexing.
 
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The house could benefit from a 2-3 minute backstory video that could play between the ads on the projector facing the queue. There's just too many factors that make this house confusing
 
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The house could benefit from a 2-3 minute backstory video that could play between the ads on the projector facing the queue. There's just too many factors that make this house confusing
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So much this. Murdy did it for Hollywood and it was extremely helpful. Why on earth did they not simply do a voiceover with "The story so far..."?
 
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Personally, I absolutely love this house and its my favorite so far of this year. Every time I do this house it just gets better and better and I notice more details and effects I didn't notice before. It's clear a lot of love and care went into the making of this house and I absolutely love the story that is presented in the house. This is definitely a house that gets better with repeat runs as you pick up on more and more of the story. The backstory given on the discover universal podcast is also a very good listen too and this house also has some of my favorite sets and effects of this year.
 
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Just finished a run, wasn’t for me, but i could tell they were doing much better with timing tonight.
 
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Just finished a run, wasn’t for me, but i could tell they were doing much better with timing tonight.
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Oh, someone decided to come out more than once every 30 seconds?

(My write-up is coming. Just processing the Hollywood version.)

EDIT: @ReelJustice, do you have notifications for me posting in this thread set up? You were lightning fast! :lmao:
 
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This house should've been thrown in the trash when it was in its early stages of development. A&D is more than capable of creating a Universal Monsters house that is 10x better than whatever Eternal Bloodlines is. Really is a shame to see what is typically one of the best houses of the year turn out to be the worst. There was no gradual decline in quality over the years, just a straight nosedive, which is incredibly shocking to me.

As much as I want to see more UM houses (especially Creature), I would not be upset if A&D decided to let the Monsters at HHN rest for a few years.
 
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This house should've been thrown in the trash when it was in its early stages of development. A&D is more than capable of creating a Universal Monsters house that is 10x better than whatever Eternal Bloodlines is. Really is a shame to see what is typically one of the best houses of the year turn out to be the worst. There was no gradual decline in quality over the years, just a straight nosedive, which is incredibly shocking to me.

As much as I want to see more UM houses (especially Creature), I would not be upset if A&D decided to let the Monsters at HHN rest for a few years.
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I guess gill man should be left alone lol. some things are not meant to be lol.
and it's not just this house, this year is kinda funky in other ways. not sure what happened, look at the zones. or the museum house. I don't know ....
 
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Unlike Museum, this is a house that has improved for me after every run I've done. Right now it's 2nd in my rankings, personally love this house. So much going on and it's so cool to be in the middle of all the battles. The She-Wolf zipline scare is my favorite this year.
 
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I guess gill man should be left alone lol. some things are not meant to be lol.
and it's not just this house, this year is kinda funky in other ways. not sure what happened, look at the zones. or the museum house. I don't know ....
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Maybe A&D don't know how to translate Creature into a house. I'd be satisfied if we got another Universal Monsters 2019 house, but with a longer Gillman section.

I've been going for a decade and this year doesn't feel any different.
 
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Maybe A&D don't know how to translate Creature into a house. I'd be satisfied if we got another Universal Monsters 2019 house, but with a longer Gillman section.

I've been going for a decade and this year doesn't feel any different.
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I guess they couldn't do too many underwater scenes or have be mostly on land, ( like the sequels) maybe pair him with the shark from Cinema
 
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Maybe A&D don't know how to translate Creature into a house. I'd be satisfied if we got another Universal Monsters 2019 house, but with a longer Gillman section.
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The current A&D team probably not. But keep in mind the original house appearance for Creature back in the early years (90s) had the scareactor in water popping up while guests crossed a bridge
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I asked J Michael Roddy which year, he said it was 1991 - the original Dungeon of Terror located in the former JAWS queue.
 
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The current A&D team probably not. But keep in mind the original house appearance for Creature back in the early years (90s) had the scareactor in water popping up while guests crossed a bridge
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I asked J Michael Roddy which year, he said it was 1991 - the original Dungeon of Terror located in the former JAWS queue.
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Jesus, that's amazing. I know it couldn't be done now, but I'm glad that this photo exists
 
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Thought I’d share a fun experience I had last night - got to the end and a cast member stopped me from exiting to allow cast to pass through as part of cast change. Thought nothing of it, and was happy to leave the house having had a good run. Then, when I was allowed to move again the final Bride got me so good I nearly collapsed to the floor. Was not expecting it at all (forgot I was still technically in the house and fair game), and even the staff at the end were chuckling at my expense. So to whoever that scareactor was, absolutely stellar job - you really got me good. Biggest scare I’ve had so far at the event this year!
 
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EDIT: @ReelJustice, do you have notifications for me posting in this thread set up? You were lightning fast! :lmao:
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Its Been A Long Time Waiting GIF
 
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Its Been A Long Time Waiting GIF
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Okay yeah I have a minute, so let's dig into it. I'm referencing both my memory and experience with the maze (I did at least twelve runs of it over five days) as well as Inside Universal's POV video.

Going to break this down scene by scene, because each one presents new, baffling questions.

  • Scene one. The graveyard and snow are nice, but the decision to make Saskia a static figure turned away from us is confusing. The lighting does not emphasize the figure, and many failed to notice her despite her relative prominence. It's also hard to tell that the voiceover, which is well performed and written, is meant to be coming from the figure. Already not off to a great start, since you've got a vague premise but don't know what Saskia looks like if you aren't already familiar with her.
  • Van Helsing crypt. I don't understand this scene. There's an unconvincing silhouette projection on stained glass that forces the Saskia actor to be on a timer - she doesn't appear to have complete freedom on when she jumps out. Terrible from a performer perspective, by the way. More importantly, though, why is she charging out at us? Is she afraid of us? Trying to intimidate us? Why not put the Saskia performer in the first scene and allow her to lip sync and engage with the audience directly, as she did in Hollywood? As it stands, this scene is both confusing and unscary.
  • The transition vestibules between most scenes can work, but the rest of the house has to really deliver -- otherwise, they do serious damage to the pacing and signal to the guest that they have a moment to "breathe" and be safe. The transitions are especially bad here because, while they're well-decorated, they feature voice over and animation that conveys kind of crucial plot information, but it doesn't loop quickly enough for the pace guests are expected to advance through the house. The result is you get a third of what you were supposed to hear or the entire flow of the house slowing to a crawl as guests wait to see what they're clearly meant to see and hear.
  • Mummy rooms. The first scare on your left was really good if the position was staffed, which it often wasn't. The long hallway where the mummy was meant to charge at you was too awkward to be intimidating or surprising -- it ended up just looking kind of silly, even if your timing was impeccable. These chambers reuse props from and invite direct comparisons to Legends Collide, one of the scariest houses the team has delivered in recent memory, and this pales in comparison. Naturally, I have no idea what's really meant to be happening as far as Saskia's story goes. Why does she need to go to Egypt to take revenge on Dracula's Daughter? Whatever.
  • Also, the next vestibule is unintentionally hilarious in that Saskia is immediately like "so yeah, I failed at that first part. Nevetheless!..."
  • Okay, forest scene. Whatever the design intention was for the Frankenstein Monster mauling, it did not pan out. The Monster looks laughably bad. No disrespect, but it just does. I can't believe they left it like that. It's completely indecipherable what is actually happening to the Monster - someone had to explain to me that the She-Wolf is meant to be goring him from inside the wagon. (This is before you get into the bizarre decision to kill the Monster in the first place -- it's the climax of Bride of Frankenstein Lives, and it clearly wasn't an enforced narrative requirement, as Hollywood features the Monster very much animated). The Bride appears from a position and angle that makes it very difficult to see her wig, which, let's face it, is the primary thing that identifies the character. "Let him live" is a ridiculous cue because 1) the Monster is clearly already dead and 2) why is the Bride trying to negotiate with a bestial monster? She isn't stupid. Who looked at this room and decided it all made sense? The Saskia scare in the wagon was solid when the position was staffed, which it often wasn't. The zipline scare is absurdly obvious and takes too long to activate and reset, meaning, again, even if triggered at just the right moment for you, it wasn't scary. Again, it invites comparisons to Dracula's launch in Legends Collide and doesn't even come close.
  • Another vestibule where Saskia announces she's failed.
  • Finally, we're at Dracula's castle. Probably should've started here, but whatever. Two empty rooms with confusing or unconvincing set decs, then a very basic scare with Dracula's Daughter. I saw this scare staffed exactly once throughout my five nights.
  • The "battle" scene with Bride stabbing a (clearly already dead) vamp and Saskia dragging away a live one was cool when every spot was staffed, which it often wasn't. Completely unclear why Bride is helping Saskia in this version of the story, as the wolf killed her mate, not Dracula's daughter.
  • Oh, and... Saskia's dead, suddenly? Off-screen? This moment is so poorly judged on so many levels. One, we haven't seen Dracula's Daughter transition, so other than the dress, there's nothing to tell us this is meant to be the same character. She's holding a head that has the same wig as Saskia, but again, that really isn't enough. Did you miss the scare due to timing? Too bad, you don't know Saskia's dead. The position isn't staffed? Uh... sorry! Saskia has no real confrontation with Dracula's Daughter at all? I mean, we've only seen Dracula's Daughter in the flesh once before this if we're lucky, so sure, why not. Hollywood executed this plot point much better, even if it's a terrible direction to go in.
  • Weird barn rooms with all the Monsters coming out, in theory. The Bride's yelling at us and calling us a foul beast for some reason, fine. The rest of the scares for some reason take a long time to reset, or maybe the performers know they're in a bad maze and aren't trying very hard. Who can say.
  • Repeat of the Van Helsing graveyard and crypt for some reason. Yes, I get the idea is that the Bride has brought Saskia's hilariously decapitated body back to be with her family, but no, none of that is apparent from inside the maze, especially if you missed that Saskia's got beheaded in the first place.
  • I think I saw the scares that are supposed to happen inside the second crypt once.
  • And then it's over, with the Bride doning Saskia's gear (...kay) and wailing at us in grief, even though she's already traveled all the way to this place and has had plenty of time to process it, so I'm not sure why she's moaning.
I'd say they bit off more they could chew narratively, but the basic story doesn't even make a lick of sense. "Bride of Frankenstein and Van Helsing's daughter team up to fight female monsters" is a good log line, but they overcomplicate it at every turn. Saskia and the Bride never even appear next to each other or acknowledge one another in the flesh. Dracula's Daughter, the chief antagonist, is basically a non-entity. It's never clear why the other female monsters are involved in the first place.

The team seemed to forget that haunted houses, like rides, are great for conveying moods and settings and moments, but not stories. Loose, episodic premises that allow for episodic vignettes or can reliably convey a simple narrative thrust (something is trying to kill you) work best. Think Haunted Mansion and Pirates of the Caribbean versus, uh, Tiana's Bayou Adventure.

Beyond that, though, I don't understand how this got built in the same structure as the neighboring Goblin Feast, which made way better use of its real estate and delivered some impressive sets. In Eternal Bloodlines, I always felt like I was in a long hallway.

Maybe more thoughts will come to mind, but there's something to start on.
 
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