Super Nintendo World (UOR) - General Discussion Thread

[Co@sterDuck!]

I was at the parks on the 27th and while I was in line they were like getting everyone out of the karts on Mario Kart BC but they were cleaning them. So does anyone know what this is because it also happen Halloween night on MIB while I was in the single rider line

 

[GA-MBIT]

It's a local park with different demographics, but seeing the Camp Snoopy area at Carowinds really made me think about how these Florida parks treat their offerings for parents and younger kids. It has a whole ton of flats of all different kinds with great high-quality fabricated Peanuts theming to all of it, as well as a ton of shaded seating and tables nearby for parents to sit and watch their little ones from. It doesn't feel like a carnival or Six Flags either. It's got a really cozy woodland spot in the park. It's honestly pretty! Pictures online don't do it justice.

The only land in Central Florida that I've seen come even close is Seaworld's Sesame Street Land, which I will continue to root for as one of the better lands in the state in terms of theming, entertainment, and offerings for its' demographic.

I think an IP like Mario, DK, and especially Yoshi would be perfect for a set of themed flats for families and younger kids. It's a shame that they went for the specific angle that they did with SNW, where everything has to be just so compacted. I enjoy a number of things about it, and it certainly has made it easier to clone, but it also means there really is no room for simpler offerings that would fit the IP great imo.

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Universal has already shown how they could make flat rides more unique and themed than a standard off-the-shelf. Once again enters Islands of Adventure.

One Fish, Two Fish is easily forgotten, but it's my favorite Dumbo-clone, above Dumbo itself. That's because they play audio during the ride singing rhymes similar to the original book that instruct riders on whether to swim up or down, and if you don't listen and follow the lyrics, you'll end up flying right into a water effect! You can choose whether to follow that song and stay dry, or take your own path and potentially find yourself soaked. What a fun twist on such a simple flat! They did a similar, if less interesting twist with Kang n' Kodos too. IMO there's no reason they couldn't make a family-oriented Mario flat ride interesting or even Power-Up Band compatible!

Wrote this for another thread, but it's probably better suited here haha.

 

[Parkscope Joe]

It's a local park with different demographics, but seeing the Camp Snoopy area at Carowinds really made me think about how these Florida parks treat their offerings for parents and younger kids. It has a whole ton of flats of all different kinds with great high-quality fabricated Peanuts theming to all of it, as well as a ton of shaded seating and tables nearby for parents to sit and watch their little ones from. It doesn't feel like a carnival or Six Flags either. It's got a really cozy woodland spot in the park. It's honestly pretty! Pictures online don't do it justice.

The only land in Central Florida that I've seen come even close is Seaworld's Sesame Street Land, which I will continue to root for as one of the better lands in the state in terms of theming, entertainment, and offerings for its' demographic.

I think an IP like Mario, DK, and especially Yoshi would be perfect for a set of themed flats for families and younger kids. It's a shame that they went for the specific angle that they did with SNW, where everything has to be just so compacted. I enjoy a number of things about it, and it certainly has made it easier to clone, but it also means there really is no room for simpler offerings that would fit the IP great imo.

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Universal has already shown how they could make flat rides more unique and themed than a standard off-the-shelf. Once again enters Islands of Adventure.

One Fish, Two Fish is easily forgotten, but it's my favorite Dumbo-clone, above Dumbo itself. That's because they play audio during the ride singing rhymes similar to the original book that instruct riders on whether to swim up or down, and if you don't listen and follow the lyrics, you'll end up flying right into a water effect! You can choose whether to follow that song and stay dry, or take your own path and potentially find yourself soaked. What a fun twist on such a simple flat! They did a similar, if less interesting twist with Kang n' Kodos too. IMO there's no reason they couldn't make a family-oriented Mario flat ride interesting or even Power-Up Band compatible!

Wrote this for another thread, but it's probably better suited here haha.

I just don't think Nintendo is interested in an attraction like One Fish Two Fish (maybe a Mario Party mini land?). SNW is a full family land that has to appeal to guests 9 to 90 plus they want some sort of video game tie-in. I do agree parks need more Kiddie Kingdom like lands where it's a bunch of boring flat rides for young kids and the themed entertainment's obsession on hyper real simulacrums isn't helping.

 

[Pacific]

Its funny because as cool as places like Super Nintendo World are, Im pretty sure kids are going to have more fun, on average; in a literal playground.

 

[UniversalRBLX]

I think it also needs to be brought up that a lot of the interactivity is behind a $45+ tax paywall. So Nintendo is very fun... if a child's parent/guardian is willing to pay for it.

 

[Mike S]

I think it also needs to be brought up that a lot of the interactivity is behind a $45+ tax paywall. So Nintendo is very fun... if a child's parent/guardian is willing to pay for it.

The pay wall is only to track points, keys, and link with the app. The only thing meaningful that’s actually locked behind it is the Bowser Jr. mini game. All other mini games, including the ones you get keys from, are playable without it.

 

[Jerroddragon]

The pay wall is only to track points, keys, and link with the app. The only thing meaningful that’s actually locked behind it is the Bowser Jr. mini game. All other mini games, including the ones you get keys from, are playable without it.

Really? I didn't know you could play the games without it

 

[Mike S]

Really? I didn't know you could play the games without it

Yeah everything is touch activated with a big mushy button type thing.

As you can tell it’s very weird to describe lol

 

[Jerroddragon]

Yeah everything is touch activated with a big mushy button type thing.

As you can tell it’s very weird to describe lol

IWe have SNW here at USH but I swear they check for bands when you go up to a game but cool to know you can just play

 

[Mike S]

IWe have SNW here at USH but I swear they check for bands when you go up to a game but cool to know you can just play

I’ve only ever seen that check for the Bowser Jr. fight.

 

[LPCaptainDeath]

I've yet to walk up without my band and just ask to play something, but i can't see why that would be an issue outside of Bowser Jr, like Mike said.

However, i have walked up with only my band and got 3 other people into Bowser Jr. with me despite ME being the only one with the "keys" to get in. My generalized assumption being: as long as SOMEONE has the band, they'll let you play.

 

[Mike S]

I've yet to walk up without my band and just ask to play something, but i can't see why that would be an issue outside of Bowser Jr, like Mike said.

However, i have walked up with only my band and got 3 other people into Bowser Jr. with me despite ME being the only one with the "keys" to get in. My generalized assumption being: as long as SOMEONE has the band, they'll let you play.

I’ve seen this as well and I think it’s the protocol because they know not everyone will buy a band and the fight is better in a group.

 

[GA-MBIT]

The pay wall is only to track points, keys, and link with the app. The only thing meaningful that’s actually locked behind it is the Bowser Jr. mini game. All other mini games, including the ones you get keys from, are playable without it.

This is wrong, but I don't blame you or anyone else for spreading it. Universal and Nintendo do a very poor job at clearly explaining and marketing what exactly the Power-Up Band content actually is, what exactly you need it for, and what you don't. I've genuinely thought of making a Masterthread/post for use as a guide, because I've experienced a lot of SNW myself and there just isn't a ton of accurate info out there on the internet for Epic yet.

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For Key Challenge games, Goomba, Koopa, Piranha Plant are all locked behind the band. The Key touchpoint used to start the game cannot be activated without it. They literally will not function without one.

Goomba and Koopa are single-player games. Piranha Plant is a group game. Only one Band is required to play Piranha Plant, but up to 7 other people can join in a game without one. If multiple people in that party of up to 8 players have a Band, they are each able to win a Key.

Bob-omb and Thwomp are playable without the band*, as the Key touchpoint is actually just a big touchscreen that activates for anybody.
*Unless the line is too long and they'll start turning people without bands away there too. Or if the TM just decides to not let people without Bands play.

Bowser Jr. Shadow Showdown requires the Band and 3 Keys from the other games to enter, but only one person in a party needs to hit those requirements. As long as someone has 3 keys on their band, the rest of the party can join. Theoretically, there's no cap to how many people can be in that party. From what I've heard, it's mostly discretionary on the greeter.

The Note Blocks and Coin House games are playable without a Band. (These games are very simple.)

The Toadstool Cafe Gift Boxes require a Band to activate.

Binoculars are usable without a Band.

None of the collectibles or hidden "M" touchpoints will activate without a Band.

The Power-Up Wall is technically playable without a Band, but will only give out Coins 90% of the time. Bands will activate the actually fun Power-Up minigames 100% of the time.

Punching the "M" Touchpoints underneath blocks won't do much more than play a dull "thud" noise if you don't have a Band. With a Band, they play their respective sound and light up. Same with the Yoshi Egg Block.

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I really wish there was a resource for this kinda stuff. It's why I've honestly thought about making one myself. LOTS of misinfo out there, or complete lack of info.

 

[Alicia]

This is wrong, but I don't blame you or anyone else for spreading it. Universal and Nintendo do a very poor job at clearly explaining and marketing what exactly the Power-Up Band content actually is, what exactly you need it for, and what you don't. I've genuinely thought of making a Masterthread/post for use as a guide, because I've experienced a lot of SNW myself and there just isn't a ton of accurate info out there on the internet for Epic yet.

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For Key Challenge games, Goomba, Koopa, Piranha Plant are all locked behind the band. The Key touchpoint used to start the game cannot be activated without it. They literally will not function without one.

Goomba and Koopa are single-player games. Piranha Plant is a group game. Only one Band is required to play Piranha Plant, but up to 7 other people can join in a game without one. If multiple people in that party of up to 8 players have a Band, they are each able to win a Key.

Bob-omb and Thwomp are playable without the band*, as the Key touchpoint is actually just a big touchscreen that activates for anybody.
*Unless the line is too long and they'll start turning people without bands away there too. Or if the TM just decides to not let people without Bands play.

Bowser Jr. Shadow Showdown requires the Band and 3 Keys from the other games to enter, but only one person in a party needs to hit those requirements. As long as someone has 3 keys on their band, the rest of the party can join. Theoretically, there's no cap to how many people can be in that party. From what I've heard, it's mostly discretionary on the greeter.

The Note Blocks and Coin House games are playable without a Band. (These games are very simple.)

The Toadstool Cafe Gift Boxes require a Band to activate.

Binoculars are usable without a Band.

None of the collectibles or hidden "M" touchpoints will activate without a Band.

The Power-Up Wall is technically playable without a Band, but will only give out Coins 90% of the time. Bands will activate the actually fun Power-Up minigames 100% of the time.

Punching the "M" Touchpoints underneath blocks won't do much more than play a dull "thud" noise if you don't have a Band. With a Band, they play their respective sound and light up. Same with the Yoshi Egg Block.

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I really wish there was a resource for this kinda stuff. It's why I've honestly thought about making one myself. LOTS of misinfo out there, or complete lack of info.

Good list.

I believe the official rule for Bowser Jr. (was/) is supposed to be only one additional person along with the person with the Power-Up Band and three keys can enter... Likely in case of children playing who need a supervising adult, etc. But in practice they seem to let the entire party in and have not enforced the rule.

 

[Mike S]

This is wrong, but I don't blame you or anyone else for spreading it. Universal and Nintendo do a very poor job at clearly explaining and marketing what exactly the Power-Up Band content actually is, what exactly you need it for, and what you don't. I've genuinely thought of making a Masterthread/post for use as a guide, because I've experienced a lot of SNW myself and there just isn't a ton of accurate info out there on the internet for Epic yet.

---

For Key Challenge games, Goomba, Koopa, Piranha Plant are all locked behind the band. The Key touchpoint used to start the game cannot be activated without it. They literally will not function without one.

Goomba and Koopa are single-player games. Piranha Plant is a group game. Only one Band is required to play Piranha Plant, but up to 7 other people can join in a game without one. If multiple people in that party of up to 8 players have a Band, they are each able to win a Key.

Bob-omb and Thwomp are playable without the band*, as the Key touchpoint is actually just a big touchscreen that activates for anybody.
*Unless the line is too long and they'll start turning people without bands away there too. Or if the TM just decides to not let people without Bands play.

Bowser Jr. Shadow Showdown requires the Band and 3 Keys from the other games to enter, but only one person in a party needs to hit those requirements. As long as someone has 3 keys on their band, the rest of the party can join. Theoretically, there's no cap to how many people can be in that party. From what I've heard, it's mostly discretionary on the greeter.

The Note Blocks and Coin House games are playable without a Band. (These games are very simple.)

The Toadstool Cafe Gift Boxes require a Band to activate.

Binoculars are usable without a Band.

None of the collectibles or hidden "M" touchpoints will activate without a Band.

The Power-Up Wall is technically playable without a Band, but will only give out Coins 90% of the time. Bands will activate the actually fun Power-Up minigames 100% of the time.

Punching the "M" Touchpoints underneath blocks won't do much more than play a dull "thud" noise if you don't have a Band. With a Band, they play their respective sound and light up. Same with the Yoshi Egg Block.

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I really wish there was a resource for this kinda stuff. It's why I've honestly thought about making one myself. LOTS of misinfo out there, or complete lack of info.

I’ve seen team members scan their own band so people can play but this was during the opening when capacity was capped. Thanks.

 

[LPCaptainDeath]

I’ve seen team members scan their own band so people can play but this was during the opening when capacity was capped. Thanks.

I concur. I've seen this in practice at both EPIC and USH for things like Goomba, Koopa, and Piranha.

 

[GA-MBIT]

I’ve seen team members scan their own band so people can play but this was during the opening when capacity was capped. Thanks.

Gotcha! Then yes, that likely was the case around opening. You're definitely right as of then.

I've noticed a very significant and consistent decrease in the SML Ops wearing Bands since mid-summer. I believe they have been enforcing that as a rule. A significant number of players on the Leaderboards were obvious TMs, which is slightly better now. Though you can still see all of the VIP Tour Guides at the very top haha.

I believe they also wanted to cut down on misinput Hard Mode gameplay. Every Key Challenge has a Hard Mode version you can unlock after beating the challenge once. Hard Mode usually involves the gameplay elements being slightly tougher, and often taking twice as long to complete.

For Goomba, Koopa, and Piranha, if the TM taps the touchpoint to begin the game on their Band it will begin in Hard Mode 90% of the time because it's very likely that the TM or the group before them won their last game.

Bob-omb and Thwomp use the Touchscreen, and from what I can tell, an NFC Field to detect all of the Bands in the gameplay area. So the TM doesn't even have to tap to activate Hard Mode. If they are in the gameplay area, which ... of course they are haha, then every guest will always activate Hard Mode.

Thwomp is usually hidden away enough to where it isn't too bad of an issue, but Bob-omb's queue can back up all the way to the exterior of SNW because of repeated Hard Mode gameplay. It's just an operations issue at a point. Even the Power-Up Band content isn't immune to Epic's low capacity haha.

There may be some outlier TM's that offer the Key games for non-Band owners, but it is definitely not the norm and not something to plan around. Much more commonly, they will turn guests away.

Didn't mean to come off as rude or antagonistic. Sorry if I came off that way! Just trying to clear up how exactly the Band content is operated at this point in time cause there is a ton of confusion, and things are often changing regarding it on Universal's side too.

 

[Parkscope Joe]

Yoshi is closed this weekend for refurb per Uni's website.

 

[Clive]

Yoshi is closed this weekend for refurb per Uni's website.

Huh. Well, it needs it!

 

[Mike S]

Gotcha! Then yes, that likely was the case around opening. You're definitely right as of then.

I've noticed a very significant and consistent decrease in the SML Ops wearing Bands since mid-summer. I believe they have been enforcing that as a rule. A significant number of players on the Leaderboards were obvious TMs, which is slightly better now. Though you can still see all of the VIP Tour Guides at the very top haha.

I believe they also wanted to cut down on misinput Hard Mode gameplay. Every Key Challenge has a Hard Mode version you can unlock after beating the challenge once. Hard Mode usually involves the gameplay elements being slightly tougher, and often taking twice as long to complete.

For Goomba, Koopa, and Piranha, if the TM taps the touchpoint to begin the game on their Band it will begin in Hard Mode 90% of the time because it's very likely that the TM or the group before them won their last game.

Bob-omb and Thwomp use the Touchscreen, and from what I can tell, an NFC Field to detect all of the Bands in the gameplay area. So the TM doesn't even have to tap to activate Hard Mode. If they are in the gameplay area, which ... of course they are haha, then every guest will always activate Hard Mode.

Thwomp is usually hidden away enough to where it isn't too bad of an issue, but Bob-omb's queue can back up all the way to the exterior of SNW because of repeated Hard Mode gameplay. It's just an operations issue at a point. Even the Power-Up Band content isn't immune to Epic's low capacity haha.

There may be some outlier TM's that offer the Key games for non-Band owners, but it is definitely not the norm and not something to plan around. Much more commonly, they will turn guests away.

Didn't mean to come off as rude or antagonistic. Sorry if I came off that way! Just trying to clear up how exactly the Band content is operated at this point in time cause there is a ton of confusion, and things are often changing regarding it on Universal's side too.

No rudeness or antagonism detected.