Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens
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Oh yeah there's some big differences, and I agree. I was mostly generalizing. Can't wait to dive into the stories more in the next movie.
I think the big question on everyone's mind though is WHAT HAPPENED TO C-3PO'S LEFT ARM?!?
Especially since
we're getting a movie about how they built the first Death Star next year (Rogue One). It would piss me off if they do another Death Star.
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You know what would be nice? If the Rebels got a Death Star for once. That would be a nice change of pace.
I don't want anyone to have a death star. I think Episode 8 will get very dark. Kylo Ren is fighting an internal battle of Light/Dark and he's combating the light by killing/fighting (To me, Killing Han was akin to killing one of the last remaining pieces of Ben Solo).
I'd love to see The First Order do all out attacks and Kylo be a badass in 8. Obviously Luke will train Rey. I sort of don't want Episode 8 to end well for the rebels. I want it left hanging in the balance for episode 9.
I'd love to see The First Order do all out attacks and Kylo be a badass in 8. Obviously Luke will train Rey. I sort of don't want Episode 8 to end well for the rebels. I want it left hanging in the balance for episode 9.
Well, I don't want an Empire Strikes Back rehash, obviously. I'd love it to be a much darker film than Empire and I want to see some originality taken by the writers/directors as well.
I fully expect Kylo to Kill Luke in 8. Maybe Leia. Maybe Both. It has to be Dark. Thats the Formula. First movie fun, 2nd one dark and all hope is lost, third one good guys win. Kylo, or another bad guy I guess, has to establish himself as a legit badass for the third movie so Rey can save the day. Best way to do that is for them to kill Luke.
Of course, there is the theory that Rey will go dark and Kylo will return to the light and be the hero. I mean Rey turning on Luke at the end of 8 and killing him would be a very "I am your father" moment that no one sees coming. It would fit the criteria of all hope being lost and would set up Kylo for the turn. But I just don't know if he can be sold as a hero.
Of course, there is the theory that Rey will go dark and Kylo will return to the light and be the hero. I mean Rey turning on Luke at the end of 8 and killing him would be a very "I am your father" moment that no one sees coming. It would fit the criteria of all hope being lost and would set up Kylo for the turn. But I just don't know if he can be sold as a hero.
While I would love for that to happen (and i've heard those theories), I don't know if Disney has the balls to let that happen. I hope they allow for risks and just let Kathleen Kennedy oversee things.
Also, to answer your question, yes, I do think the roles can easily be sold as Rey as a villain and Kylo as a hero. Kylo came across as very weak in TFA as a villain, they could sell it like he wants to fight for the rebels... sort of like they did with Finn and how he went from Stormtrooper to the other side.
Of course, i'm still not 100% sold that Luke is her father. I think there's a lot that could point to Han/Leia. Yeah, Han nor Leia seemed to recognize her, but the only theory to get around that would be a Jedi mind wipe OR Leia knows and Han didn't. Remember, she only said "Go get our son" and Han ran away for years in between. It's possible she got impregnated right before he left and she never told him. Leia, of course knowing that she would have the force, went to Luke to train her, and she ended up on Jakku for safety after Kylo went wrong.
R2 turning on when she came in the room is what leads me to sway towards Luke, however.
Also, to answer your question, yes, I do think the roles can easily be sold as Rey as a villain and Kylo as a hero. Kylo came across as very weak in TFA as a villain, they could sell it like he wants to fight for the rebels... sort of like they did with Finn and how he went from Stormtrooper to the other side.
Of course, i'm still not 100% sold that Luke is her father. I think there's a lot that could point to Han/Leia. Yeah, Han nor Leia seemed to recognize her, but the only theory to get around that would be a Jedi mind wipe OR Leia knows and Han didn't. Remember, she only said "Go get our son" and Han ran away for years in between. It's possible she got impregnated right before he left and she never told him. Leia, of course knowing that she would have the force, went to Luke to train her, and she ended up on Jakku for safety after Kylo went wrong.
R2 turning on when she came in the room is what leads me to sway towards Luke, however.
Personally,
I think Rey turning is silly. As is the Han/Leia parents theory. Jedi mind-wipe? Is that like the memory wipe kiss from Superman II? Silly, silly. Here's my theory on the First Order and the Knights of Ren:
In the novelization of TFA, Snoke says that he chose Kylo Ren as an apprentice because he had the "perfect balance of dark AND light." Everybody seems to be overlooking this comment, but to me it just blew the entire film wide open.
The First Order is obsessed with... well, order. The "enemy" is disorganization. JJ has been adamant that Snoke and Ren are NOT Sith. At first it just seemed like a flimsy way of not having the Sith as a villain again. But now I believe that he was hinting at their goals the entire way through the film and we just misconstrued them as the new Empire.
The Knights of Ren are seeking to bring balance to the Force, in a very unaware and misguided fashion, to be sure. Nonetheless, Kylo is trying to eliminate the binary of "light and dark." To him and Snoke, the Sith and Jedi represent disorder. The key to order is an emotionless base. The Sith dwell in anger and pain. The Jedi in the good of humanity. Thus we have things like Hux's "education centers," which I feel will play a big role in VIII (perhaps Finn and Poe on a journey to destroy one of them).
When Kylo says, "I want to be free of this pain," that's our first major clue. The Sith EMBRACE pain and anger. They thrive on it. When Kylo tells Vader that he wants to finish what he started, he means the prophecy. He means bringing balance to the Force. After all, Anakin destroyed both the Sith and the Jedi. He couldn't let Luke undo all that by establishing a new Jedi order. So he struck them down. And he was embolden by the discovery that Luke had broken the Jedi Order rule of attachment by fathering a secret child (Rey). The hypocrisy of Luke mixed with the call to the Dark side led to him joining the first order.
And this is why there are many "Knights of Ren." If the Sith were alive, they'd strike them down as well. There is no Rule of Two. There is no path of the Jedi. There is only power through conformity.
In the novelization of TFA, Snoke says that he chose Kylo Ren as an apprentice because he had the "perfect balance of dark AND light." Everybody seems to be overlooking this comment, but to me it just blew the entire film wide open.
The First Order is obsessed with... well, order. The "enemy" is disorganization. JJ has been adamant that Snoke and Ren are NOT Sith. At first it just seemed like a flimsy way of not having the Sith as a villain again. But now I believe that he was hinting at their goals the entire way through the film and we just misconstrued them as the new Empire.
The Knights of Ren are seeking to bring balance to the Force, in a very unaware and misguided fashion, to be sure. Nonetheless, Kylo is trying to eliminate the binary of "light and dark." To him and Snoke, the Sith and Jedi represent disorder. The key to order is an emotionless base. The Sith dwell in anger and pain. The Jedi in the good of humanity. Thus we have things like Hux's "education centers," which I feel will play a big role in VIII (perhaps Finn and Poe on a journey to destroy one of them).
When Kylo says, "I want to be free of this pain," that's our first major clue. The Sith EMBRACE pain and anger. They thrive on it. When Kylo tells Vader that he wants to finish what he started, he means the prophecy. He means bringing balance to the Force. After all, Anakin destroyed both the Sith and the Jedi. He couldn't let Luke undo all that by establishing a new Jedi order. So he struck them down. And he was embolden by the discovery that Luke had broken the Jedi Order rule of attachment by fathering a secret child (Rey). The hypocrisy of Luke mixed with the call to the Dark side led to him joining the first order.
And this is why there are many "Knights of Ren." If the Sith were alive, they'd strike them down as well. There is no Rule of Two. There is no path of the Jedi. There is only power through conformity.
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