I’m happy that DC fans got the movie they wanted. But I have no intentions on ever watching this again and found it a chore to sit through the whole thing.
I've still never watched Man of Steel or BvS in full (and never saw the 2017 JL at all), so I have no plans of watching this as of right now because I have no reason to. But i'm glad DC fans are enjoying it at least like you said.I’m happy that DC fans got the movie they wanted. But I have no intentions on ever watching this again and found it a chore to sit through the whole thing.
I'm gonna try and watch this within the next week. BvS turned me off of the DCEU massively. Not to the point where I just wouldn't watch anymore at all, but it really turned me off of the original DCEU specifically. So I literally have never seen Suicide Squad or Justice League and only watched Man of Steel for the first time *yesterday*. And i'll say this - I actually really enjoyed Man of Steel for what it was. I still had some issues with it and I feel like a lot of things weren't earned and the character development wasn't quite there, but overall I enjoyed it.
Now just because I have sort of been out of the loop on those films doesn't mean I don't watch the DC stuff still. I'm seen both Wonder Woman movies, Aquaman, and Shazam. And outside of the DCEU is where I really feel like they're hitting it out of the park. Joker, Wacthmen, Doom Patrol. Plus with the upcoming The Batman and with James Gunn's The Suicide Squad, I thought why should I even bother with some of that early DCEU stuff? It felt irrelevant.
But I do want to watch this, but I plan on doing it without watch Joss Whedon's Justice League first. I'll eventually watch that version, but I want to just this film as it's own thing without having another film in my mind i'm constantly comparing it to. I'll be real though, the prospect of 4 hours of a 4:3 aspect ratio movie doesn't necessarily thrill me.
I actually did watch the extended cut (I own the Blu-Ray). I've never seen the theatrical version.Out of the BvS, which version have you seen? I would recommend watching the Directors Cut of that, as it helps give a bit more context to certain things for Snyder's take.
And..now, the one scene that I will go through the trouble on adding an extra layer of spoilers, because I legitimately didn't expect it.
So, the third to last major scene, of Lex Luthor escaping from Arkham..was from Snyder's version. However, they changed it from the two versions. In Whedons, it seems that they were setting up more of the League of Villians, where as here..we get very clearly Lex wanting Deathstroke to go after Batman, even using Bruce's name to entice Slade into getting a drink. Out of all the things--please; let us see this story. I want to see how the hell Slade uses Bruce's secret to his advantage, and the lengths in a "Hunt" against The Batman. Absolutely enthralling to not expect that at all.
So I think what i've realized that the reason why I tend to like Marvel more than DC (writing this right before I’m about to watch Snyder Cut) is that these are all very god-like beings. They are completely unrelatable. Not that I need a fantasy/superheo movie to be relatable, but I just recently watched the first Avengers and it's a good 1:1 comparison.
The worst part is I don’t think they need to be unrelated just because they’re god-like. It’s the way the characters are written. They can still be comics accurate while adding in humanizing elements. Look at the new Superman & Lois show for instance. It’s probably the first good Superman project that manages to showcase him as a superhero AND as a family man and how he manages to balance both.
Now again, it’s not that I need fantasy/superhero films to be realistic, but given the choice between the route the DCEU took and the MCU took, I’ll take the MCU every day. If I want to watch a Superhero project that plays itself “serious”, I’ll go watch Joker, Watchman (show), The Dark Knight Trilogy, or Black Panther. For me, I just like it better when the movies are fun and have a sense of humor to them that brings them down to earth.
I surprisingly felt that Miller’s Flash way more insufferable this time whereas he was just kind of there in Whedon’s version.
I found Snyder’s cut to definitely be superior despite being bloated, but this version actually made me less excited for Flashpoint.
I wish they would just start over again. I really want a Justice League that is much more in line with what Marvel’s doing...I know that was exactly the opposite of what they were aiming to do initially, but outside of Batman, none of these characters deserve to be this dark, at least not as a first intro.
Play Injustice: Gods Among Us and compare it to the ending of this film and you’ll know exactly what I’m talking about.
So I think what i've realized that the reason why I tend to like Marvel more than DC (writing this right before I’m about to watch Snyder Cut) is that these are all very god-like beings. They are completely unrelatable. Not that I need a fantasy/superheo movie to be relatable, but I just recently watched the first Avengers and it's a good 1:1 comparison.
The worst part is I don’t think they need to be unrelatable just because they’re god-like. It’s the way the characters are written. They can still be comics accurate while adding in humanizing elements. Look at the new Superman & Lois show for instance. It’s probably the first good Superman project that manages to showcase him as a superhero AND as a family man and how he manages to balance both.
Now again, it’s not that I need fantasy/superhero films to be realistic, but given the choice between the route the DCEU took and the MCU took, I’ll take the MCU every day. If I want to watch a Superhero project that plays itself “serious”, I’ll go watch Joker, Watchman (show), The Dark Knight Trilogy, or Black Panther. For me, I just like it better when the movies are fun and have a sense of humor to them that brings them down to earth.
I think he means a more...well thought out and relatable universe, that can easily connect without having the need to explicitedly watch everything to know. Honestly, I think while this is the most accessible Snyder film (which says a lot); it is the most bloated. It's a weird, weeird double edged sword that can turn people off.
Should they reboot the DCEU? Yeah. I think it's time. It's actually why I'm kind of excited for the Bad Robot productions; because if they're successful, it should lead to the start of a new universe, one hopefully more better connected and less tampered.
MCU is a universe that you have to watch everything if you want to know what is going on. You cant just go into the MCU shows cold, or Endgame, or even any of the sequals without seeing what came before. It's really no different then what the DCEU was doing under Snyder, until Wheadon's Justice League which didn't take the time to explain characters.
I wouldn't entirely agree with you on that. I'd argue MCU has plenty of open keyhole films that you can get into easily without having the slightest clue of what it means in the long run.
Guardians Vol. 1 and 2 are neatly contained while having some significance into the MCU. The First Avenger and the first two Iron Man films are also good keyhole films that can ease you into core aspects, themes, and motifs. You don't need much to go off of with those four films; and even the first Avengers film nicely introduces elements such as Thor and Loki in a way that isn't breaking one's belief. Especially after watching the first two Iron Men and Captain America films.
Honestly as my own kind of thought bubble--I think rebooting the DCEU in the same way the MCU started makes a lot of sense. Start small; focus on characters that wouldn't be as relevant, then work up. It's why I am excited for Blue Beetle and Zatanna; because I think they can be the potential means of starting the next DCEU properly; without having to immediately resort to Superman or Batman. I want to see more Snyderverse eventually. But with the stances that individuals like Affleck and Snyder have taken (the former due towards the shift of theatrical to straight to services); it loses a lot of potential quickly and fast.
What I meant about 1:1 ratio was that was the first Avengers movie and this was Snyders original vision for Justice League. Justice League was fast-tracked to be the DCEU's Avengers, no?Disagree about them being unrelatable. They maybe for you but for many, they are relatable.
Avengers isn't a good 1:1 comparison. For the very reason you give as why you find the characters unrelatable. JL are god like beings (except Batman), where the Avengers (except for Thor) are essentially a normal person raised to exceptional. They are opposite. So is the storytelling. The only thing in common is they are a comic book movie.
I've seen every other DECU movie now, so I think i'm allowed to make a judgement. Sure, i've heard things are a bit more comedic in the Snyder Cut, which is great, but it doesn't change every other Snyder DCEU movie.You are making a judgment about the characters before seeing the movie. See the movie then make the judgment. One of the things alot of people said about ZSJL is that all the characters are more relatable because the movie gives them all time to breathe.
Why are you being so defensive? Sure, I like the MCU, but I ALSO like DC. What I DON'T like is the 2013-2017 DCEU. Shazam, Birds of Prey and Wonder Woman are probably my favorite films. I feel like the DCEU is trending in the right direction right now and I really just don't want the success of this to impact actual *plans* going forward. I like that is seems like the DCEU kinda/sorta has a plan going forward now, which is what I enjoy about Marvel. The lack of a plan is what made the whole thing a mess in the beginning. Now that they've gotten past that, it looks like they are doing longer term planning with the universe so hopefully that doesn't change. Now they can bring Snyder back for a movie (hell have him do Man of Steel 2 or Justice League 2 if either of those happen), but at least plan it properly around everything else you have going on.It's funny, I'm kind of opposite of how you feel, now. I'm kind of done with Marvel especially after WandaVision. I just have no enthusiasm for them anymore, they all feel the same to me. ZSJL felt cinematic, epic, and most importantly different to me. It made me want more of that style of storytelling with comic material, and less of the Marvel formula.