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Halloween Horror Nights 2025 (USH) - Speculation & Rumors

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I deal with entertainment law all the time. Only thing that matters is money. And Six Flags ain't shelling out more. They literally don't have the budget, that much is apparent. Nothing is enticing about what they have to offer whether it's in regards to fan outreach, tourist outreach, merchandise sales, commercial showcasing, repeat business, new fan conversion, international market, or literally anything -- they do not have the fanbase loyalty or numbers to sustain or make any declarations bigger than Universal's, whether that's here in Six Flags' Valencia, Texas, or New Jersey. Any and every IP will go where the most money is being offered, even if it meant staying there for freakin' 10 years - Walking Dead is a prime example of that. It also worked out major deals to be in multiple places at the same time because they were a big enough entity to do so -- it literally is that simple. Work with the big dogs or don't, even if exclusivity isn't on the table.

Six Flags snagged those properties up cheaper than they usually are because Universal offered them nothing. Universal is trying to expand, I totally get that, but the product is so much weaker now. It has nothing to do with "oh we've been going a long time and I'm used to it" -- Knotts is over there getting BETTER recently and I've been going there for 25 years. There's a major decline and even the GP is starting to notice it. It's time to start hitting some panic buttons and shelving out big bucks for some crazy big draws that'll stop people from saying "oh that sounds cool" and back to "oh that sounds scary."

Let's not forget the fact that one single person has been spearheading this thing for almost two decades now. With all due respect, new blood is needed to throw some fresh freakin' ideas onto the table. I'm not saying Murdy needs to quit, step aside, or even be just a consultant -- but he needs to share this process with multiple other people in order for this to work. How many times is he typing into his treatments, "and then uh...he rips off the face of his victim and...shows the guests running by! YEAH, that's it!" We all KNOW there's so much more HHN can be doing, even with their rules, regulations, and standards they have set, even with the guilds in place, but we're just ignoring it because "uh, yeah, The Last of US, cool! Weeknd, alright!" Far and wide, the haunt industry is growing and this event itself is growing, but it is using the same techniques over and over again -- REFUSING to grow not because it can't, but because it all stems from ONE person's imagination!
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You're contradicting yourself left and right here. I digress because we're way off topic, but I'll just say that I'm personally extremely confident that if Universal had their way -- could literally just snap their fingers and get whatever they want -- then HHN would be nothing but show-stopping marquees and cool, horror-dork deep cuts year after year. It would be Suspiria and Alien and The Conjuring and The Fly and Twin Peaks and It and Scream and Fright Night and Phantasm and The Ring and everything/anything else people would die to experience.

But for a wide variety of reasons, that's not possible. The reality is Universal -- and any other organization trying to run an IP-driven haunt event -- has to play within boundaries beyond their control, and you can either accept that or not!
 
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I'll also say....while I know its not always going to draw a billion people...IPs like Ghost busters have there place at these events

Not everything has to be OMG so scary to fit Halloween. The event is meant to celebrate Halloween right? Also you want IPs that draw some none horror fans as well

This is like we know a business, and I'm not saying make all things fun but I love we normally have like one fun house like Ghost Busters, Clowns from outer space...etc. Its also why I like having on Classic Monsters house...sure its not that scary but the vibes are always off the charts fun
 
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I'll also say....while I know its not always going to draw a billion people...IPs like Ghost busters have there place at these events
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yeah, I personally think an event as big as horror nights is well served by having a diversity of experiences. if i want something more traditionally horror focused, there are loads of grassroots haunts worth checking out - especially in southern california.
 
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That's the only aspect I will disagree wholeheartedly on. Ghostbusters (IMHO) has no place at the event that pushed boundaries in the SoCal haunt scene in the first place. It removes the immersion for me, but has also signaled to me that HHN will likely never be what it once was in delivering content that could be grotesque and uncomfortable so long there is something that totally isn't.

I feel more alienated from HHN in recent years and that's fine, whatever, they won't lose sleep over a fan not forking over money for something that fits the bill, but I also don't necessarily feel as if I'm wrong as to why HHN is just not "it" anymore.
 
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That's the only aspect I will disagree wholeheartedly on. Ghostbusters (IMHO) has no place at the event that pushed boundaries in the SoCal haunt scene in the first place. It removes the immersion for me, but has also signaled to me that HHN will likely never be what it once was in delivering content that could be grotesque and uncomfortable so long there is something that totally isn't.

I feel more alienated from HHN in recent years and that's fine, whatever, they won't lose sleep over a fan not forking over money for something that fits the bill, but I also don't necessarily feel as if I'm wrong as to why HHN is just not "it" anymore.
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I'm . . . so confused by this. I've been plenty vocal about Ghostbusters and similar IP, but HHN is and always has been a theme park event. There's never been a time where it was -- or even aspired to be -- edgy or boundary-pushing from a content perspective. They've pushed the boundaries of design and construction and presentation, for sure, but making people uncomfortable has never been the objective, like ever. Even when things are their most extreme, it's designed to be a thrill in the same way as riding a ride; not to disturb or alienate the guest.

Look, people have a lot of nostalgia for this event. My guess is you're recalling a time when perhaps you were more impressionable than you are now because this recollection is just completely inaccurate.
 
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I meant to root my argument more in reputation, and yes, youre right - it is definitely an era where it was much more impressionable and I even said so a few pages back, that for HHN fans of old, the era where "stronger" horror IPs were a thing is gone and we just have to accept it.

I just think that having an IP like Ghostbusters completely removes this reputation, hell, I even thought this was an issue when Krampus was an IP during Hollywood's best year ever. And I think it's fair to have this assessment and say that GB makes one think the event isn't "scary" at all anymore, and devoid HHN of its thrilling, tense atmosphere. A family property just doesn't do that for an event that was the destination for this according to its season, and it's only gonna get less enticing for people like myself to want to care.
 
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I was absolutely spooked by the Terror Dogs in Ghostbusters when i was a kid.
When i went through the house in 2019 and got several jump scares by them, i had the biggest smile on my face and remembered what it felt like to be scared of them. For a brief moment, i was that kid again.
I'm one of those sympathizers you'd vehemently disagree with because i think as long as something has a level of spook in its heart, be it Goosebumps, Scooby Doo, or Gremlins, it has a place on HORROR's mantle.

You might not feel intense fear, shock, or disgust by what you're seeing, but that doesn't mean nobody else is. Tolerance, interest, and life experience are all examples of things that are going to make everyone react differently to what they imagine 'horror' means and i can bet you all the money in the world that the things that scared you as a kid are probably not the same things that scare you as an adult. But guess who comes to Horror Nights? BOTH kids and adults!
How do you manage that spectrum?
(by doing exactly what they've been doing for 30+ years)

I think i speak for many, if not the general audience, when i say that I do not go to HHN every year to be made to feel uncomfortable at the amount of grotesquerie on display nor to see how they push the boundaries at what we view as acceptably horrifying. I go to have fun. If the event isn't FUN, we probably wouldn't have it. It can still be fun while being thrilling and intense. Not everything needs to be Texas Chainsaw Massacre/House of 1000 Corpses, ya feel? And imo HHN hits that balance perfectly. For every Exorcist and Halloween filled year, we get one little Killer Klowns from Outer Space to cleanse the palette.

It's a Halloween event first and foremost, as the title suggests, and i do take that literally to suggest HORROR comes second. Halloween is scary, it's spooky, and it can be horrifying, but it can also silly and funny as the trick or treating holiday suggests. It doesn't have to be so black and white, man; Like most things in life, horror has a very expressive history in different shades of gray.
 
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I am confusion right now. One week we’re asking Murdy if he would ever consider doing a Scooby Doo house and the next we’re complaining that HHN has lost its edge and becoming too family-friendly…literally just after we had TCM last year and may get Terrifier this year.

Look, I can kinda understand both sides of the coin here. Ghostbusters wasn’t the greatest house ever obviously, but it had some good scenic and it was fun. I’m not going to lose sleep over one light-hearted house when the rest are straight-up horror. I also remember the “glory days” of HHN when everything was a lot more uncensored and gritty and it was all unapologetically horror. I have fond memories of Hostel and the 2010 HoTC as I don’t think you will see houses as raw as that again, especially Hostel!

Y’all are forgetting that the event has gotten more mainstream now. You have TWD and Stranger Things to thank for letting the event grow as much as it has. Sure there may be some stuff here and there that might be watered down a little bit, but when you think about what we got now, we now have a bigger budget, more nights, less black walls, and sound stages to work with! Even then I don’t think HHN’s core value of being a horror event has been sacrificed as much as we think.

Nostalgia does something to y’all. If you were able to gig up the old forums from Horror Night Nightmares, you still find plenty of things we complained about back then. The black walls, budget not being properly allocated to dress the park, lack of entertainment etc. Even back in its “glory days” the event had issues and you will always find some. But I’m happy with where the event is now being that it has stuff that we all longed for back in the early 2010’s: Sound stage houses, more shows, entertainment, park being better dressed, etc.
 
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My personal preference would be for more hardcore and traditional horror - I remember going in 2008 and being amazed that we got Freddy, Jason, AND Leatherface - but I think it's also really cool that HHN now has something for everyone. I think it is appropriate and fun for the event to have a silly house, a post-apocalyptic house, etc., and I'm happy as long as there is also something for me / my tastes, which there always has been. Horror is a big tent.
 
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My personal preference would be for more hardcore and traditional horror - I remember going in 2008 and being amazed that we got Freddy, Jason, AND Leatherface - but I think it's also really cool that HHN now has something for everyone. I think it is appropriate and fun for the event to have a silly house, a post-apocalyptic house, etc., and I'm happy as long as there is also something for me / my tastes, which there always has been. Horror is a big tent.
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That's a legit qualm. I would prefer the event focuses a bit more on traditional horror for their IPs. I do think it's funny how me and several people on the forums back then were so tired of Freddy and Jason, but now I want both of them back so bad, especially Freddy!

Okay, now for some legit speculation. Because Insidious won HoTY on both coasts, surely they've got to be working towards a paranormal-related headlining IP. There is generally a pattern, with some exceptions, that there is always a house that is related to the former year's HoTY in some form, weather its a similar theme or a straight up repeat. Let's look at the pattern throughout the years (And feel free to correct me if I made a mistake)

2010: HoTC > Repeat
2011: La Llorona . Repeat
2012: TWD > New TWD house
2013: Insidious > Exception
2014: AVP > Repeat
2015: Halloween? > More Halloween
2016: Freddy Vs Jason? > Titans of Terror
2017: AHS? > Exception
2018: Universal Monsters > New Monsters house
2019: Us > Covid Happened
2021: Exorcist > Exception
2022: La Llorona > Monstrous
2023: Monstrous > Monstrous 2

Notice a pattern? Especially during the post-covid years? Murdy is the kind of guy, for better or for worse, who has the mindset of "stick with what works". If the HoTY is a hispanic house, then do another one. We're already certain of another hispanic house going into Parisian especially with his comments on it last year. But I think we will see another paranormal house with Insidious winning HoTY on both coasts.

There is one IP that fits the paranormal category that has yet to be done, we've been asking for it to come for freaking years, and has its "final" movie coming out this Fall. It's "Last Rites" if you will. I am no insider by any means, but HHN would be stupid to let the opportunity pass up. HHN will pay far more than Fright Fest ever will.
 
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That's a legit qualm. I would prefer the event focuses a bit more on traditional horror for their IPs. I do think it's funny how me and several people on the forums back then were so tired of Freddy and Jason, but now I want both of them back so bad, especially Freddy!

Okay, now for some legit speculation. Because Insidious won HoTY on both coasts, surely they've got to be working towards a paranormal-related headlining IP. There is generally a pattern, with some exceptions, that there is always a house that is related to the former year's HoTY in some form, weather its a similar theme or a straight up repeat. Let's look at the pattern throughout the years (And feel free to correct me if I made a mistake)

2010: HoTC > Repeat
2011: La Llorona . Repeat
2012: TWD > New TWD house
2013: Insidious > Exception
2014: AVP > Repeat
2015: Halloween? > More Halloween
2016: Freddy Vs Jason? > Titans of Terror
2017: AHS? > Exception
2018: Universal Monsters > New Monsters house
2019: Us > Covid Happened
2021: Exorcist > Exception
2022: La Llorona > Monstrous
2023: Monstrous > Monstrous 2

Notice a pattern? Especially during the post-covid years? Murdy is the kind of guy, for better or for worse, who has the mindset of "stick with what works". If the HoTY is a hispanic house, then do another one. We're already certain of another hispanic house going into Parisian especially with his comments on it last year. But I think we will see another paranormal house with Insidious winning HoTY on both coasts.

There is one IP that fits the paranormal category that has yet to be done, we've been asking for it to come for freaking years, and has its "final" movie coming out this Fall. It's "Last Rites" if you will. I am no insider by any means, but HHN would be stupid to let the opportunity pass up. HHN will pay far more than Fright Fest ever will.
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Really good and interesting point. The Conjuring makes a lot of sense as an IP (and agreed that Fright Fest having had it does not preclude it). On the Christmas-themed spec map, the ghost could easily be The Conjuring (instead of Scream, Beetlejuice, or the other guesses). Somehow intuitively, putting The Conjuring in the UBE Venue, where we had Evil Dead Rise and then A Quiet Place, makes sense to me.
 
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IF Murdy was able to do Scooby-Doo, Universal could easily benefit from it's existence. They could do a "daytime not-so-scary spooky" version for families/kids... kinda like Stranger Things 1.0 had the lights-on tour back in 2018

They could feature photo-ops with a few of the classic "ghosts" since they'll be "less scary" with the work lights on.

Then it switches to "show mode" for HHN providing all kinds of jump scares. With a few comical cameos from Mystery Inc.

Alright back to spec: BRING BACK DEATHEATERS!!
 
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There is one IP that fits the paranormal category that has yet to be done, we've been asking for it to come for freaking years, and has its "final" movie coming out this Fall. It's "Last Rites" if you will. I am no insider by any means, but HHN would be stupid to let the opportunity pass up. HHN will pay far more than Fright Fest ever will.
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I've admittedly been looking into the matter of Conjuring--and unless if something drastic changes; I think Six Flags is likely gonna snag it again for the 2025 season. It's a major moneymaker for Fright Fest and brings people into the event in a substantial way.

I actually do kind of agree with the idea/thought process of the paranormal house trend.
 
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the fact that the ring had a parody in scary movie 3 already should prove it to be famous enough for horror nights lol
the ring is super famous in USA. is very recognizable.
 
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the fact that the ring had a parody in scary movie 3 already should prove it to be famous enough for horror nights lol
the ring is super famous in USA. is very recognizable.
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I just don't think there's enough material from The Ring for an entire house tbh
 
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i don't like this any more than anyone else, but it's worth remembering that 2003 was 22 human years ago. i'm not saying The Ring is without staying power, but I don't think a parody movie that came out during George W. Bush's first term is a great benchmark for its enduring popularity.

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I just don't think there's enough material from The Ring for an entire house tbh
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also this lol
 
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also this lol
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Just have like 13 rooms with the TV. It'll be fine.
 
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Just have like 13 rooms with the TV. It'll be fine.
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they also have to have a setup room in the beginning to explain to everyone under 30 what a VHS tape is, so that burns a room.
 
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Just have like 13 rooms with the TV. It'll be fine.
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So a repeat of the 2016 Exorcist house? Lmao
 
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i don't like this any more than anyone else, but it's worth remembering that 2003 was 22 human years ago. i'm not saying The Ring is without staying power, but I don't think a parody movie that came out during George W. Bush's first term is a great benchmark for its enduring popularity.


also this lol
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Just have like 13 rooms with the TV. It'll be fine.
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so it could be exactly like the Black Phone or like Happy Death Day lol
 
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