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Universal's Epic Universe Wish List & Speculation

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Joe said:
I know I'm a little late but this is a bad idea. The "spread it around" philosophy is brilliant at crowd control and increasing profits/attendance.
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I get attendance, but how is it better at crowd control?
 
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I’m not up to date on the whole MGM being up for sale, if Universal does acquire it and the theme park rights that go with it, some of the IPs would be perfect for USF as single attractions and to keep the movie-making theme some what relevant.

I think everything that's in EU, needs a full land to really take advantage of what it offers and moving to USF, will lessen what could be done.
 
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Scott W. said:
I’m not up to date on the whole MGM being up for sale, if Universal does acquire it and the theme park rights that go with it, some of the IPs would be perfect for USF as single attractions and to keep the movie-making theme some what relevant.

I think everything that's in EU, needs a full land to really take advantage of what it offers and moving to USF, will lessen what could be done.
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James Bond spy adventure shooter type attraction could have fun story telling and put us right in the middle of the attraction to help Bond.
 
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I get attendance, but how is it better at crowd control?
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If you put all Nintendo in a single park, all that attendance crushes a single park and syphons off the attendance of the other parks. Spreading Nintendo to various parks spreads the crowds to the various parks.

If 30,000 people are coming only for Nintendo, you can either increase one park’s attendance by 30,000 or 3 parks’ attendance by 10,000. You choose the 3 parks because then the crowds are easier to control.
 
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If you point all Nintendo in a single park, all that attendance crushes a single park and syphons off the attendance of the other parks. Spreading Nintendo to various parks spreads the crowds to the various parks.

If 30,000 people are coming only for Nintendo, you can either increase one park’s attendance by 30,000 or 3 parks’ attendance by 10,000. You choose the 3 parks because then the crowds are easier to control.
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Plus you sell 3 park tickets.

The Wizarding World is a good example (Although this year seems to be an anomaly)
 
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Obviously this is just my opinion but I feel like cartoonish lands overkill can happen no matter what IP you are talking about. Universal will eventually have Nintendo, The Simpsons, Seuss, Toon Lagoon and for the time being...the KidZone hodge podge. I think that people in general prefer "real world" fantasy in the theme parks.....that is a more organic look and experience. No doubt that Nintendo World is spectacular with awesome looking rides and will be a huge hit but Pokemon as a land just seems like pushing it.
 
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Obviously this is just my opinion but I feel like cartoonish lands overkill can happen no matter what IP you are talking about. Universal will eventually have Nintendo, The Simpsons, Seuss, Toon Lagoon and for the time being...the KidZone hodge podge. I think that people in general prefer "real world" fantasy in the theme parks.....that is a more organic look and experience. No doubt that Nintendo World is spectacular with awesome looking rides and will be a huge hit but Pokemon as a land just seems like pushing it.
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If Nintendo goes into the Studios, you’ll have 2 “cartoon” aesthetics in each current park. Pokémon would likely go into EU as one of two “cartoon” aesthetic IPs (the other being Dragons). That isn’t actually overkill by any stretch.
 
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Legacy said:
If you put all Nintendo in a single park, all that attendance crushes a single park and syphons off the attendance of the other parks. Spreading Nintendo to various parks spreads the crowds to the various parks.

If 30,000 people are coming only for Nintendo, you can either increase one park’s attendance by 30,000 or 3 parks’ attendance by 10,000. You choose the 3 parks because then the crowds are easier to control.
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There's also the opposite effect. There's going to be a lot of people who will look at all Nintendo properties as kiddie areas. If a park is all Nintendo, those people will just skip that park completely.
 
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Has anyone seen the new Uni Beijing commercial? Not sure if I can post here. That Toothless ride system/animatronic looks incredible I hope it is coming to EU. Could be better than FoP
 
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joelbryant11 said:
Has anyone seen the new Uni Beijing commercial? Not sure if I can post here. That Toothless ride system/animatronic looks incredible I hope it is coming to EU. Could be better than FoP
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I believe that puppet/AA is for the show that could potentially be coming to EU also.
 
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Seriously,

Pokemon should damn near have it's own park. It can support it. Half of EU being Pokemon, people running around collecting pokemon and battling etc...Different pokemon rides, different pokemon cities and areas produced like/given the SNW treatment. Finding and catching pokemon throughout the land?

It's arguably the only IP in existence that can support it something like that. They'd be combining the appeal of the video game, the appeal of an immersive experience, with the traditional entertainment of a theme park. To relegate the property to a ride or two and a land with only the same scope as SNW or even potter would be an absolute waste.
 
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Seriously,

Pokemon should damn near have it's own park. It can support it. Half of EU being Pokemon, people running around collecting pokemon and battling etc...Different pokemon rides, different pokemon cities and areas produced like/given the SNW treatment. Finding and catching pokemon throughout the land?

It's arguably the only IP in existence that can support it something like that. They'd be combining the appeal of the video game, the appeal of an immersive experience, with the traditional entertainment of a theme park. To relegate the property to a ride or two and a land with only the same scope as SNW or even potter would be an absolute waste.
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Yeah no, I would not enjoy that. I'm still not pleased with how much expansion space Star Wars land took up at Disneyland, and that's only one land. I get that Marvel or Star Wars could technically encompass an entire park, but you're putting a lot of stock in every potential visitor enjoying that property.
 
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There's also the opposite effect. There's going to be a lot of people who will look at all Nintendo properties as kiddie areas. If a park is all Nintendo, those people will just skip that park completely.
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The bulk of Universal’s target audience are millennial families and GenZ. The vast majority of that audience grew up, or is growing up, with Nintendo through their teenage and young adult years. The amount of people with that perception of the brand are a small enough percentage that it’s not a concern for Universal. If it was, they wouldn’t be treating it like the next Potter.
 
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The bulk of Universal’s target audience are millennial families and GenZ. The vast majority of that audience grew up, or is growing up, with Nintendo through their teenage and young adult years. The amount of people with that perception of the brand are a small enough percentage that it’s not a concern for Universal. If it was, they wouldn’t be treating it like the next Potter.
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I certainly don't see the brand that way, but I'd still prefer a good mix of brands I like (and original rides) versus an entire park dedicated to a single brand. Especially if this is a one-time visit to a theme park, people want to feel as if their doing multiple things as opposed to variations on the same thing throughout the day.
 
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I believe that puppet/AA is for the show that could potentially be coming to EU also.
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You're right, it’s a puppet I got a little excited
 
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Yeah no, I would not enjoy that. I'm still not pleased with how much expansion space Star Wars land took up at Disneyland, and that's only one land. I get that Marvel or Star Wars could technically encompass an entire park, but you're putting a lot of stock in every potential visitor enjoying that property.
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With how much space they were/are giving HTTYD, anything less for pokemon would be a crime against the property.


There are plenty of guest who didn't enjoy potter, but enjoyed the theme park lands. Same with Star Wars, same with anything, really. Arguably though, there would be more to do in a poke-land than in Galaxy's edge or SNW or Potter.

You also just might not be qualified to make that comment based on how well you know the property or not. I grew up with pokemon, I was a kid in the 90's. Everyone had at least a few pokemon cards, we traded our pizza lunches for mewtwo's, our snacks for holo's and first editions, everyone fortunate enough to have a gameboy battled during lunches with the link cable. After it fell out of vogue or kids grew out of it, the nerds and the geeks kept it going all the way through high school and still play the game. I have friends much older than I WAYYYY into pokemon go. Friends with kids have their kids playing pokemon. That being said, I can't remember the last time I paid it any real attention (actually I played pokemon go a bit... That was pretty huge). I played a few of the games on an emulator as a teen, never owned nintendo games really until my younger brother got the wii. I'm not a pokemon or nintendo stan, nowhere near it.

I see what UC pulled off with SNW. Pokemon could easily have features just like that land, and they could build more of it without it being too much. Pokemon is a whole universe with a lot of depth and different areas. You could have a show where you buy your "power up band like device" and get your starter pokemon, just like in the games. Imagine, Cell phone pokedex cases that pair with an app, or even "real" pokedexes. The lines would be nothing like you've ever seen before, even for Olivanders. You could board a Lapras and go from one land to the next, just like with potter. You could have a mine cart ride into caves, intermixed with a dungeon where you catch cave pokemon/fossil pokemon. You can have multiple gyms based on pokemon type, you can have guest battle arenas, you can have shows meet and greets, different areas to catch all of the original 151 built into a device like those "power up bands". Each pokemon can have an animated figure you "catch" like the boss battles in SNW. You could have a bike transportation ride between different areas. To create an activity that is relatively low cost to maintain, that you can only do in one place that takes DAYS to "complete" or is never ending?, It would make money like nothing that came before it.

And then, if they would be willing to take the risk, none of the pokemon lands in any of the parks are the same. Each universal park gets different regions, different pokemon, so you can have an activity that takes place in the real world, that completely resembles the fiction. They could create their own pokemon league with their own game represented in the parks. Their own world pokemon championship. They could incentivize both casual and hardcore fans to go to each of their parks, playing the "real game", They could own their own e-sports league based off their version of the pokemon game, that would be able to be represented with some of the most advanced technology in the world ,because they would be building it to support their parks, and it would serve a dual purpose.



Or they could build a land with a couple of rides that does not innovate the themed entertainment medium, that just checks off the boxes enough to cash in on the property because that's what they've always done.



In my opinion, Anything less than anything remotely resembling the above would be an absolute mistake, because people would pay to live in that land, probably moreso than they would to live on a certain starcruiser... People would pay to go there and be immersed, and anything approaching the scale I am envisioning should easily do gangbusters and dance around anything Disney attempted with galaxies edge, what they did with potter, and would be the next step to raise the bar in themed entertainment design beyond SNW. Pokemon as far as I'm concerned is the cutesy anime version of Star Wars. It has a steady, ever-green fanbase and is an ever green property, and an ever green concept, more so than even potter.


Universal should take the same approach they are doing with potter, but mix in the design philosophy and the lessons they are learning from SNW into a Pokemon world. I don't understand the argument that building a place to go and "actually" be a pokemon trainer would be too much. It's truly the only thing I can think of where they wouldn't be able to build expansions fast enough, and this is coming from someone who is absolutely not invested in pokemon at all beyond fond childhood memories.


I'd love to develop a concept and take my pitch to someone.
 
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I wishlist and speculate for TOOTHLESS IN ANY CAPACITY.
 
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Honestly, and this may be a bit weird; but I could absolutely see a SNW style layout work out for Pokemon.

Replace the omnimover with an outdoor Pokemon Snapsafari family dark ride with AA pokemon outside, moving about, and then save the major E-Ticket out to catch Rogue Pokemon decieved by Team Rocket. They have the environments to make it work also with a small and compact space.
 
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Honestly, and this may be a bit weird; but I could absolutely see a SNW style layout work out for Pokemon.

Replace the omnimover with an outdoor Pokemon Snapsafari family dark ride with AA pokemon outside, moving about, and then save the major E-Ticket out to catch Rogue Pokemon decieved by Team Rocket. They have the environments to make it work also with a small and compact space.
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I've always pictured it to be a "city" about the size of Diagon with a main path leading to the weenie, a giant Pokemon gym (inside the gym would be an e-ticket ride where Team Rocket steals Pikachu and we fly off to rescue it)

The other parts of the city would include a darker enclosed alley which would be home to the ghost pokemon and perhaps a small indoor flat ride based on the psychic Pokemon

The other half would be a forest which would contain a Pokemon Snap boat ride with a smaller drop (Kung Fu Panda or Pirates size)

Overall it would be roughly the size of Diagon Alley, including some extra room for another showbuilding...so probably Diagon and a little FFL

The aesthetic would be bright and colorful, but grounded

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I've always pictured it to be a "city" about the size of Diagon with a main path leading to the weenie, a giant Pokemon gym (inside the gym would be an e-ticket ride where Team Rocket steals Pikachu and we fly off to rescue it)

The other parts of the city would include a darker enclosed alley which would be home to the ghost pokemon and perhaps a small indoor flat ride based on the psychic Pokemon

The other half would be a forest which would contain a Pokemon Snap boat ride with a smaller drop (Kung Fu Panda or Pirates size)

Overall it would be roughly the size of Diagon Alley, including some extra room for another showbuilding...so probably Diagon and a little FFL

The aesthetic would be bright and colorful, but grounded

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Honestly I'm kind of gunning on a Ryme City like land--more inspired by the real world like aesthetics, but clearly in a Pokemon world.
 
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