Universal’s 5th Park rumor

[Andysol]

Funny because that's exactly what would have happened:

• MoM rumored to have replaced FFL

This is the one thing that absolutely would have been better served in USF (though I’d argue only after F&F and Simpsons is/was torn down and if Villain Con could have been a dark ride à la SLoP due to screen fatigue in the park).

I cannot express how much I hate a 90s British MoM ride in 20s Paris. It defies stupidity. Not to mention the awesome London waterfront we could have received. I’m actually shocked JKR signed off on it. Her first bad decision in the lands, imo.

Still would have loved HP Paris. And a FB wand shooter ride would still had great appeal. Especially with the expected Quidditch expansion. France still could have happened. Could’ve done the Great Hall this way. Who cares if you eat there in the 20s or 90s. It’d be the same. But time travel? No thx.

Until the IP is on equal (or better) footing, I don't ever see Universal "beating" Disney at their own game.

Disney (and their parks) is recognized as the more family friendly/younger audience brand, and have a mountain of IP they can leverage in the parks to continue to bring in the families.

Nothing can touch Disney’s IPs. Nothing. It’s arguably the most frustrating thing about Disney parks, honestly.

I think to beat Disney you have to beat them at their own game… They’ve already got the thrill junkies and horror fans. It’s time to move onto the next phase… the families.

Okay, but Universal isn't going to do that. It's shown no interest in trying to steal away the Families With Very Young Kids demographic.

Universal is clearly comfortable with its demographic. They may make adjustments and tweaks, but they are where they are because that's where they want to be.

Universal is trying to beat Disney at its own game and they aren’t comfortable with their demographic and are actively attempting inroads with Disney’s demographics.

Anytime someone mentioned Disney opening a park in Texas, I would tout how stupid an idea it was. Why would you cannibalize your own market for a cheaper market. Why would you expend billions in capital to trade a market that stays onsite, eats at all your restaurants and buys your lightning lanes for locals who rarely do any of that. Out of state guests spend vastly more money per person than locals.

Universal, on the other hand, with their kids parks are actively going after disneys market while not cannibalzing their Florida demographic whatsoever. Universal Kids park in Texas could arguably more important to their overall presence than even Epic is depending on its success. Though they certainly work in tandem synergistically.

“Let’s not spend $10k to go to Disney when we can spend $500 and go to universal kids.”

Universal recognized where their hole was, and they are addressing it in a way that protects their Florida brand and appeal. It’s potentially brilliant. And I believe it is going to be wildly successful.

 

[Brian G.]

This is the one thing that absolutely would have been better served in USF (though I’d argue only after F&F and Simpsons is/was torn down and if Villain Con could have been a dark ride à la SLoP due to screen fatigue in the park).

I cannot express how much I hate a 90s British MoM ride in 20s Paris. It defies stupidity. Not to mention the awesome London waterfront we could have received. I’m actually shocked JKR signed off on it. Her first bad decision in the lands, imo.

Still would have loved HP Paris. And a FB wand shooter ride would still had great appeal. Especially with the expected Quidditch expansion. France still could have happened. Could’ve done the Great Hall this way. Who cares if you eat there in the 20s or 90s. It’d be the same. But time travel? No thx.


Nothing can touch Disney’s IPs. Nothing. It’s arguably the most frustrating thing about Disney parks, honestly.




Universal is trying to beat Disney at its own game and they aren’t comfortable with their demographic and are actively attempting inroads with Disney’s demographics.

Anytime someone mentioned Disney opening a park in Texas, I would tout how stupid an idea it was. Why would you cannibalize your own market for a cheaper market. Why would you expend billions in capital to trade a market that stays onsite, eats at all your restaurants and buys your lightning lanes for locals who rarely do any of that. Out of state guests spend vastly more money per person than locals.

Universal, on the other hand, with their kids parks are actively going after disneys market while not cannibalzing their Florida demographic whatsoever. Universal Kids park in Texas could arguably more important to their overall presence than even Epic is depending on its success. Though they certainly work in tandem synergistically.

“Let’s not spend $10k to go to Disney when we can spend $500 and go to universal kids.”

Universal recognized where their hole was, and they are addressing it in a way that protects their Florida brand and appeal. It’s potentially brilliant. And I believe it is going to be wildly successful.

Keyword: Texas. Not Orlando.

 

[Andysol]

Keyword: Texas. Not Orlando.

I get it. Which is why I think the Universal kids: Orlando idea is a big crazy. In that way, I agree with you.

I was just stating that I believe universal is actively addressing trying to target young kids. Something they haven’t attempted in 40 years. That’s certainly more than a tweak or adjustment; it’s a mindset shift within the parks division.

 

[pumpkinbot343]

I cannot express how much I hate a 90s British MoM ride in 20s Paris. It defies stupidity. Not to mention the awesome London waterfront we could have received. I’m actually shocked JKR signed off on it. Her first bad decision in the lands, imo.

I mean given the creative decisions she was making with Potter before those infamous tweets (Cursed Child, weird writing in Fantastic Beasts, odd Hermione claims)…

 

[Andysol]

I mean given the creative decisions she was making with Potter before those infamous tweets (Cursed Child, weird writing in Fantastic Beasts, odd Hermione claims)…

Very true. As well as retconning Dumbledore’s sexuality.

But her park decisions were still excellent. Up to and including an original creation regarding castle ruins in the forbidden forest.

But time traveling 7 decades later to London is pretty unforgivable for me. If we’re doing that, why not send someone to Germany in 1889? Though Wizarding World and the search for baby Hitler probably wouldn’t bring in the crowds.

 

[RFRees]

But time traveling 7 decades later to London is pretty unforgivable for me. If we’re doing that, why not send someone to Germany in 1889? Though Wizarding World and the search for baby Hitler probably wouldn’t bring in the crowds.

For the Wizarding World, we typically pretend to be in-universe muggles, not tourists.

But the meta narrative at Epic is that we're Celestial Travelers. We've used a Time Turner and Celestial Portal to travel to Wizarding World Paris (portal) in the 1920s (Time Turner). Once inside the Wizarding World, we use the Flu Network to travel to London and again use the Time Turner to travel to the 90s.

We could use the Time Turner to do anything (e.g. kill baby Hitler) but saving the world/doing good is not our journey as Celestial Travelers.

When Cassandra Trelawny asks guests "Where are you from?", the normie answer is something like: "I'm from Wisconsin!" My answer is "Would you believe that I'm from another universe and a hundred years in the future?"

 

[Andysol]

The meta narrative is that we're Celestial Travelers. We've used a Time Turner and Celestial Portal to travel to Wizarding World Paris (portal) in the 1920s (Time Turner). Once inside the Wizarding World, we use the Flu Network to travel to London and again use the Time Turner to travel to the 90s.

We could use the Time Turner to do anything (e.g. kill baby Hitler) but saving the world/doing good is not our journey as Celestial Travelers.

When Cassandra Trelawny asks guests "Where are you from?", the normie answer is something like: "I'm from Wisconsin!" My answer is "Would you believe that I'm from another universe and a hundred years in the future?"

I’m fully aware of the narrative. I’m also fully aware of how ridiculous that narrative is. Cursed Child retconned the time turner and this… this is just a disaster of the highest proportion. Ignoring anything more than 5 hrs is catastrophic… how about having to twist it thousands of times to get back 70 years.

Regardless- this is diverging from the thread’s purpose.

I’ve had my say. I’ll just grumble over here in the corner.

 

[RFRees]

I’m fully aware of the narrative. I’m also fully aware of how ridiculous that narrative is. Cursed Child retconned the time turner and this… this is just a disaster of the highest proportion. Ignoring anything more than 5 hrs is catastrophic… how about having to twist it thousands of times to get back 70 years.

Regardless- this is diverging from the thread’s purpose.

I’ve had my say. I’ll just grumble over here in the corner.

I'll briefly add that I mostly agree with you, but this is at least how I cope with the disaster. Lol

 

[Frankenstein79]

The Zelda section


I would love to see this section get 3 attractions. A boat ride, a dark ride and an inverted family coaster (similar to Arthur the ride in Europa).


Zelda’s boat ride could definitely be “The Pirates of the Caribbean” for the new park. From what we’ve heard it combines “Peter Pan’s” suspended rail with a “Pirates” styled boat ride. An interesting concept, but it seems too complicated, so why not make two different attractions from it. This way there's less of a chance of breakdowns.