California Theme Parks & Shopping Districts Reopening General Thread

[Bobharlem]

California Parks Association zoom meeting on the new guidelines
Legoland, Cedar Fair, Disneyland, and USH presidents represented here

 

[Jerroddragon]

While its good to hear USH open to letting people go into the park. I still stand by it's not really enough for another 9+ months. Thousand are going to lose jobs this will lead to more people not being able to afford housing and hundreds of business that are out of luck.
If USH/Disney reads the forums know that I will support pretty much any event as long as its safe and make time to come as many times as i can do make these sell out and get people back to work.

 

[Tristan]

Any event to get some source of revenue will help them keep TM's. There very well might be more layoffs, but if they do open for food & retail it with help mitigate a lot of damage.

 

[OhHaiInternet95]

While its good to hear USH open to letting people go into the park. I still stand by it's not really enough for another 9+ months. Thousand are going to lose jobs this will lead to more people not being able to afford housing and hundreds of business that are out of luck.
If USH/Disney reads the forums know that I will support pretty much any event as long as its safe and make time to come as many times as i can do make these sell out and get people back to work.

If/when we get out of this crisis I do not want to hear another single solitary WORD about how awful large crowds and long wait times are, with all the livelihoods that depend on them.

 

[Jerroddragon]

If/when we get out of this crisis I do not want to hear another single solitary WORD about how awful large crowds and long wait times are, with all the livelihoods that depend on them.

haha I can't promise that at least with disneyland. I would like off seasons again but Universal to me is pretty much perfect with its crowds, sure summer days are busy but you can get in early and get a lot done still.
But yes, it will be a good day when we see parks at 100% and see them filled up, that means more investments in the parks, more taxes for the cities and things are back to normal...and at this point I think we all miss normal.

 

[Rideguy70]

I will say that while I haven't been there personally, all the Orlando parks (which, as I understand it, are still operating at 25%, right?) sometimes look super crowded.

And with the voracious local crowd, you can bet that once most parks (particularly Disneyland) eventually reopen, you can be it'll hit that max daily for a long while.

 

[Magic Feather]

I will say that while I haven't been there personally, all the Orlando parks (which, as I understand it, are still operating at 25%, right?) sometimes look super crowded.

And with the voracious local crowd, you can bet that once most parks (particularly Disneyland) eventually reopen, you can be it'll hit that max daily for a long while.

The parks (at least Disney's Parks) have been working up to 25%, which I dont believe they've actually hit yet.

 

[Freak]

Guess how many people died in LA County on Oct 19 from Covid, the most populous county in America?

ONE.

Not millions billions of people. Just ONE person died from Covid on Oct 19th in ALL of LA County. “But muh cases! There are so many cases!!!!” Bro, the death count from Covid was freakin’ ONE on Monday! How many people die from car accidents every day in LA County, let alone, are in car accidents in LA County everyday? We gonna stop driving till we have zero accidents? So why do theme parks have to stay shut down again? It’s TIME.

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[JungleSkip]

Guess how many people died in LA County on Oct 19 from Covid, the most populous county in America?

ONE.

Not millions billions of people. Just ONE person died from Covid on Oct 19th in ALL of LA County. So why do theme parks have to stay shut down again? It’s TIME.

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"Mitigation efforts are working! Time to stop doing them!"

 

[Freak]

"Mitigation efforts are working! Time to stop doing them!"

Fewer people everyday are complying with mask wearing and distancing in California. I see it all the time. In theory, things should get worse, right?

 

[Tbad556]

It's also cherrypicking. Sunday & Monday appear to be slow data days. In comparison, this is yesterday:

 

[JungleSkip]

Fewer people everyday are complying with mask wearing and distancing in California. I see it all the time. In theory, things should get worse, right?

Anecdotal evidence is not evidence of a larger trend

Also, looks like California's cautious approach is paying dividends

California has escaped the national surge in coronavirus cases. But new dangers lie ahead

Experts warn of pandemic fatigue and complacency with the approaching holidays, which have the potential to be super-spreading events.

www.latimes.com

 

[Tbad556]

Anecdotal evidence is not evidence of a larger trend

Also, looks like California's cautious approach is paying dividends

California has escaped the national surge in coronavirus cases. But new dangers lie ahead

Experts warn of pandemic fatigue and complacency with the approaching holidays, which have the potential to be super-spreading events.

www.latimes.com

I was just about to add that "We're doing okayish currently. That means we should dive in and follow the 32 states in 'uncontrolled spread' territory" is quite a take.

Coronavirus spreading ‘uncontrollably’ in much of U.S. — but not California. Here’s why

California and the Bay Area are notable exceptions to the surge in coronavirus cases...

www.sfchronicle.com

 

[OhHaiInternet95]

And to think there’s a way we can balance our two needs, right in front of us...

 

[Freak]

How many people die everyday from car accidents? Falls? Heart attacks? Cancer? Other diseases? Y’all realize more things out there can kill you besides Covid, right?

This approach isn’t sustainable.

 

[Tbad556]

How many people die everyday from car accidents? Falls? Heart attacks? Cancer? Other diseases? Y’all realize more things out there can kill you besides Covid, right?

This approach isn’t sustainable.

How many times does this same bland argument have to be made lmao?

 

[JungleSkip]

How many people die everyday from car accidents? Falls? Heart attacks? Cancer?

None of which are contagious. Not to mention we still don't have a full picture of what the long term effects of covid are, and what we do know isn't great!

 

[OhHaiInternet95]

If I could pretend CA never had parks to begin with, it would be much easier to feel good about that map. Vermont tho

 

[vgp]

Guess how many people died in LA County on Oct 19 from Covid, the most populous county in America?

ONE.

Not millions billions of people. Just ONE person died from Covid on Oct 19th in ALL of LA County. “But muh cases! There are so many cases!!!!” Bro, the death count from Covid was freakin’ ONE on Monday! How many people die from car accidents every day in LA County, let alone, are in car accidents in LA County everyday? We gonna stop driving till we have zero accidents? So why do theme parks have to stay shut down again? It’s TIME.

Simply to provide some context, the 2017-2019 average yearly deaths from motor vehicle accidents in LA County is 836.7 (for some other numbers, 2.5K from accidental injuries and 852 from suicide). I touched on this earlier in the thread, but in general as a society we have seemingly determined that we are willing to deal with 837 motor vehicle fatalities a year in that county in exchange for the benefits it provides (if it were, say, 83,700 fatalities, we'd certainly start getting "ban the automobile!" protests). I certainly don't know, nor does anyone really agree, what that threshold should be for theme parks. Is it one? Is it one hundred? Do we save 432 deaths by closing the parks forever but also increase suicides by 232?

These are incredibly hard, complex decisions that have no easy answer.

 

[OhHaiInternet95]

Simply to provide some context, the 2017-2019 average yearly deaths from motor vehicle accidents in LA County is 836.7 (for some other numbers, 2.5K from accidental injuries and 852 from suicide). I touched on this earlier in the thread, but in general as a society we have seemingly determined that we are willing to deal with 837 motor vehicle fatalities a year in that county in exchange for the benefits it provides (if it were, say, 83,700 fatalities, we'd certainly start getting "ban the automobile!" protests). I certainly don't know, nor does anyone really agree, what that threshold should be for theme parks. Is it one? Is it one hundred? Do we save 432 deaths by closing the parks forever but also increase suicides by 232?

These are incredibly hard, complex decisions that have no easy answer.

Reopen with limited capacity, strong enforcement of mask wearing and lots of stimulus is my idea, but I know that makes me a crazy radical socialist in the eyes of most Americans...