Attendance Tracker

[shiekra38]

Orlando area hotels had a great September according to an Orlando Sentinel article. Here are some of the highlights, though there is plenty more great info at the link. Unless the theme parks had a big spike in attendance in September this is likely due to convention business or guests not staying onsite at WDW. I hope this means the Central Florida attendance slump is bottoming out.





Metro Orlando hotels have best September in decades - Orlando Sentinel

I really feel HHN helps out with this a ton as well

 

[Galaxy Defender]

I really feel HHN helps out with this a ton as well

I was talking with a friend who works at a hotel on 192 a couple of days ago. She specifically mentioned how busy they got during Halloween Horror Nights. She did not mention any business from Mickey's Halloween Party.

 

[WAJAS]

I was talking with a friend who works at a hotel on 192 a couple of days ago. She specifically mentioned how busy they got during Halloween Horror Nights. She did not mention any business from Mickey's Halloween Party.

Mickey's is a more local event in my opinion. I wouldn't expect it to fill up hotel space.

 

[shiekra38]

I was talking with a friend who works at a hotel on 192 a couple of days ago. She specifically mentioned how busy they got during Halloween Horror Nights. She did not mention any business from Mickey's Halloween Party.

It's interesting how Horror Nights packs people in...almost to the point of discomfort

 

[UNIrd]

Apples and oranges. Horror Nights is a world-class haunt. Mickey's is just a gussied up night at MK. People do not travel especially for it.

 

[Galaxy Defender]

Good Theme Park Insider article about accelerating problems at ESPN. Declines at one of Disney's big money makers can easily cause more cutbacks and upcharges at the parks. After [HASHTAG]#thankshanghai[/HASHTAG] we might be seeing [HASHTAG]#thanksESPN[/HASHTAG].

An ailing ESPN is bad, bad news for Disney theme park fans

 

[bob albert]

"And without rights to show pro sports, ESPN likely will lose even more customers."

It's important to remember that ESPN is the primary reason why sports contracts have gotten so bloated. They have been historically able to raise prices without penalty as they are hidden in the cost of cable packages. The whole thing has been propped up by people paying too much for something even when they don't watch it. Espn could very well still be the biggest player depending on how this goes, but the pool of money would be lower.

 

[Galaxy Defender]

It's hard to hide costs in cable packages when you no longer have cable.

ESPN will continue to decline, dragging down Disney's profits and stock value. The rest of the company will be squeezed to compensate.

 

[quinnmac000]

It's hard to hide costs in cable packages when you no longer have cable.

ESPN will continue to decline, dragging down Disney's profits and stock value. The rest of the company will be squeezed to compensate.

That's why they just added ESPN to hulu.

 

[Nick]

The demise of ESPN is insanely over-exaggerated and has been for some time now. I'm really not sure what else to say besides letting the stock market control you is the worst thing you can do as a company.

 

[Disneyhead]

ESPN/Disney will have to adapt to working with ESPN's actual value. Not the over value it has commanded because of bundling channels. It has artificially inflated cable costs and has accelerated the trend of "cable cutters".

This plays into Disney's self destructive mentality of "push it hard until people reject it". They don't nurture it and grow it. They strip mine it.

 

[bob albert]

The demise of ESPN is insanely over-exaggerated and has been for some time now. I'm really not sure what else to say besides letting the stock market control you is the worst thing you can do as a company.

It really isn't. The contracts are on the books already for years. The subscriber loss has been accelerating. People are not subscribing digitally in enough numbers to offset the loss. ESPN could still be technically huge with 60 million subscribers yet be losing money with the amount of contracts they have locked up before those expire. Beforehand ESPN was looked at as a cash cow and a large part of the profits for the whole company. Even if things somehow stabilize the idea for investors that they won't be able to milk ESPN no matter what is scary. The idea that they might even have to pull money from what used to be less profitable place to fund the ESPN contracts if things don't is even more so.

The idea that a channel is can be largely funded by people who don't watch it is and should be unsustainable in the internet age.

 

[Mad Dog]

Disney has shown, in the recent past, that they will make cuts at WDW when other parts of the corporation lag. It looks like Shanghai is under performing expectations. Hong Kong & Paris are disasters. If ESPN continues to tank, what will all of these things mean in the long term. Worst case scenario is that SWL, TSL & Avatar will be all they end up doing, and go dark like they did before. I don't have a lot of faith that they're going to delve into all of these projects people are talking about.

 

[bob albert]

Hong Kong & Paris are disasters.

They are two of the top most visited parks in the world. Hong Kong has a very low capacity per Day. I wouldn't call it a disaster. Numbers have just been down recently.

 

[Nick]

Disney has shown, in the recent past, that they will make cuts at WDW when other parts of the corporation lag. It looks like Shanghai is under performing expectations. Hong Kong & Paris are disasters. If ESPN continues to tank, what will all of these things mean in the long term. Worst case scenario is that SWL, TSL & Avatar will be all they end up doing, and go dark like they did before. I don't have a lot of faith that they're going to delve into all of these projects people are talking about.

ESPN has not been affecting WDW in terms of cuts. ESPN is receiving it's own cuts in laying off the higher paid "personalities" (which many times end up going to Fox Sports or NBC Sports).

 

[Parkscope Joe]

They are two of the top most visited parks in the world. Hong Kong has a very low capacity per say. I wouldn't call it a disaster. Numbers have just been down recently.

Uh, the resorts are unsustainable. You can pull a trillion people a year and still be unsustainable.

 

[quinnmac000]

Speaking of attendance...USJ is increasing and hitting records for a second year and they raised prices and bad weather.

USJ draws record crowds despite fee hike- Nikkei Asian Review

Tokyo Disney also facing a tiny slump though

Price hikes sapping Tokyo Disneyland's magic- Nikkei Asian Review

 

[Mad Dog]

ESPN has not been affecting WDW in terms of cuts. ESPN is receiving it's own cuts in laying off the higher paid "personalities" (which many times end up going to Fox Sports or NBC Sports).

Not yet, but it's just the beginning of the dive. We'll see what happens when the numbers catch up with the over inflated rights packages. Contracts of on air personalities is so small in relation to overall costs that those cuts are nearly insignificant. I'm talking about numbers that will get really huge in a couple of years. Then you'll all see what happens. And it won't be pretty. The rose colored glasses will fog up real quick.

 

[Nick]

Then you'll all see what happens. And it won't be pretty. The rose colored glasses will fog up real quick.

I'm not wearing any rose colored glasses. I'm an impartial lover of all parks, even small amusement parks.

 

[Wolf359]

They are two of the top most visited parks in the world. Hong Kong has a very low capacity per say. I wouldn't call it a disaster. Numbers have just been down recently.

Paris has been losing money since before it opened. Mainly down to the ludicrous funding method agreed for some of the hotels. Paris could triple its attendance and still lose money.