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Epic Universe - What's Not Working, How Do We Feel, & What Are Potential Solutions?

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  • Yesterday at 11:09 PM
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DragonSlayer said:
There’s another issue here which is that Universal seems to be very all-or-nothing in terms of headliners vs non-headliners. Epic absolutely needs better balance, but things like Yoshi and the Carousel are so limited in scope and appeal that they’re not going to redirect substantial crowds from the major attractions.

A genuine middle ground — non-headliner but still broadly appealing and exciting to say the teenager and family crowd — probably would have been something like an interactive shooter dark ride in Berk or some kind of equivalent in Celestial Park.

When was the last time Universal actually built something like that? Instead, they tend to go Hagrid or go Villain-Con. They need to get better at the middle ground, but given that going big is much more likely to move the needle on attendance for future additions, I think the only time Epic would have got a ride like that would have been at phase 1.
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Can we talk about the insanely long queue they built for the carousel? Nothing about creating a line that long for what should be a B-ticket (C if we’re being really generous because of looks/uniqueness) says anything positive IMO. You either expected this ride to have way higher capacity than any realistic math would ever show, expected much higher attendance that you knew you needed to stuff people into a line even if it was going to be an hour plus for a carousel because of the lack of ride capacity and weather issues, or it’s just a straight up design/communication issue.

Also, some of those middle ground attractions that are missing need to be smaller footprints than something like MIB/ET. Exciting and well themed, high interest flats and smaller dark rides more similar in size to the Fantasyland classics than warehouse-sized ones. Two D/E-ticket attractions will certainly help better spread the current load and allow them to sell some more tickets that they just can’t currently, but it doesn’t fully solve the underlying issue. I say that as someone that is dying to get an AP option so I can chill and enjoy the evening vibes more than rides.
 
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  • Today at 7:01 AM
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maxairmike said:
Also, some of those middle ground attractions that are missing need to be smaller footprints than something like MIB/ET. Exciting and well themed, high interest flats and smaller dark rides more similar in size to the Fantasyland classics than warehouse-sized ones. Two D/E-ticket attractions will certainly help better spread the current load and allow them to sell some more tickets that they just can’t currently, but it doesn’t fully solve the underlying issue. I say that as someone that is dying to get an AP option so I can chill and enjoy the evening vibes more than rides.
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Yep. A motion platform dark ride (like the dynamic attractions model / Intamin’s new one for Dance Macabre at Efteling) themed like Space Fantasy and dropped into Celestial Park would have done wonders. A dark ride on the scale of Cat in the Hat in Berk likewise.

I think the park is boxed in by the IPs to be honest. You can’t build a mid-sized attraction for Nintendo or for Potter. Berk seems pretty flexible in terms of attraction types it could accommodate but it’s already very built out. Dark Universe pretty much only has one spot left, so they won’t want to waste it on something middling, I guess.

The CC queue thing is funny. I hadn’t noticed that, but you’re right.
 
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DragonSlayer said:
Yep. A motion platform dark ride (like the dynamic attractions model / Intamin’s new one for Dance Macabre at Efteling) themed like Space Fantasy and dropped into Celestial Park would have done wonders. A dark ride on the scale of Cat in the Hat in Berk likewise.

I think the park is boxed in by the IPs to be honest. You can’t build a mid-sized attraction for Nintendo or for Potter. Berk seems pretty flexible in terms of attraction types it could accommodate but it’s already very built out. Dark Universe pretty much only has one spot left, so they won’t want to waste it on something middling, I guess.

The CC queue thing is funny. I hadn’t noticed that, but you’re right.
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I mean… Yoshi is a mid-sized attraction.

I made this point in the Studios version of this thread, but I think the actual constraint is a target audience that wants thrill-providing attractions. That’s what actually locks in the types of attractions they build: teen and adult looking for something “more thrilling than Disney.”

An indoor teacups or Danse Macabre could easily get plopped in Ministries. An omnimover exploring the history of Darkmoor (and thus introducing younger kids to the monsters in a non-threatening way) could be a lot of fun. The original Nintendo concept included a Kirby spinner. Shoot, Nintendo had Universal slow down Mario Kart so more people could ride it. Universal limits itself.
 
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The original Nintendo concept included a Kirby spinner. Shoot, Nintendo had Universal slow down Mario Kart so more people could ride it. Universal limits itself.
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Speaking of limiting themselves, they also slowed down the carousel from its factory setting and added annoying seatbelts that make the loading process take longer.
 
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Legacy said:
I mean… Yoshi is a mid-sized attraction.

I made this point in the Studios version of this thread, but I think the actual constraint is a target audience that wants thrill-providing attractions. That’s what actually locks in the types of attractions they build: teen and adult looking for something “more thrilling than Disney.”

An indoor teacups or Danse Macabre could easily get plopped in Ministries. An omnimover exploring the history of Darkmoor (and thus introducing younger kids to the monsters in a non-threatening way) could be a lot of fun. The original Nintendo concept included a Kirby spinner. Shoot, Nintendo had Universal slow down Mario Kart so more people could ride it. Universal limits itself.
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I keep saying it but people want universal to build Disney rides when that’s not what their market wants.
 
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I keep saying it but people want universal to build Disney rides when that’s not what their market wants.
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I agree to an extent. Universal has done a great job of filling the market for teenagers and adults where Disney focused on a younger set (though some of the newer rides are finally starting to appeal to a broader age range). However, if Universal wants to grow effectively, they cannot solely focus on older riders. Plus, some slower rides (e.g., boat rides where you don't get soaked) could be built that are still creepy or exciting enough to appeal to all ages but able to be ridden by younger children. A Danse Macabre ride or a flying theater could be an excellent addition to begin filling in some of the ride spectrum.
 
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I keep saying it but people want universal to build Disney rides when that’s not what their market wants.
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I think this is an oversimplification.

If Universal ever built something like Kongfrontation, Jaws, or Earthquake/Disaster again, I think any of us asking for (non-screen-reliant) dark rides would be beyond thrilled. But since it seems highly unlikely they would build rides on that massive practical scale again, the more feasible/reasonable ask is for something like SLOP, which they very recently demonstrated they are willing to build.

I'd also push back on the idea that their "market" (whoever that is; I've been going to Universal regularly since 1993, but presumably it doesn't include me) would prefer something like VillainCon to something like SLOP. And if all they cared about was serving this "market" exclusively, they wouldn't have built the park in Texas.
 
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I agree to an extent. Universal has done a great job of filling the market for teenagers and adults where Disney focused on a younger set (though some of the newer rides are finally starting to appeal to a broader age range). However, if Universal wants to grow effectively, they cannot solely focus on older riders. Plus, some slower rides (e.g., boat rides where you don't get soaked) could be built that are still creepy or exciting enough to appeal to all ages but able to be ridden by younger children. A Danse Macabre ride or a flying theater could be an excellent addition to begin filling in some of the ride spectrum.
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And they do. But the fact is people keep moving goal posts. “Too many screens. Lap bars. No AAs.” Etc.
 
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I really do think that Universal in the modern day is curb-stomping Disney. Current parks leadership at the mouse has been an absolute joke. They care only about their investors/stock holders and care nought for the average guest or long-time fan. Universal actually makes an attempt to listen to their fans and care about the guest experience. Much better than Disney's current approach, which consists of" You'll eat what we give you, and you'll like it!"
 
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